Still from ROV video

[Tom Swearengen]

Would that be a 2 for the price of 1 deal?

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Would be a big ask but you never know, stranger things have happened e.g. George dubbya Bush getting into the Whitehouse ;D

[Tom Swearengen]

Jeff, I look at it this way. The expedition is going to happen. Probably loading some stuff on KOK as we speak (or type. Lisa Anne is the on the Island reporter.?) So If they find 'other'wreckage, as well as the Electra wreckage that we hope for, then its a 2 for 1 deal. WE know something is there----but the waiting has me on pins & needles.

[Ingo Prangenberg]

In the art world students are taught that the mind is permanently looking for logic. Chaos in regards to surrounding images is not acceptable, creating only confusion and mental irritation. The brain is constantly looking for solutions to visual uncertainly.

When creating an artwork students are often taught that just implying a shape or form is enough to make the viewers mind fill in the gaps which leads to a conclusion to what a vague shape or form may be.

The same may be happening when looking at amorphous shapes such as underwater coral rubble. Ones mind is stretching to create logic from chaos and when given enough time can find commonalities between vague blobulous shapes.

That said, will objects "raining down" an underwater cliff face be covered in rubble and sediment over time? Sure. Will their shapes be distorted due to the debris and thus make them appear more abstract? Yes. Are lots of people itching to get some answers and staring at ROV images a little too long? ......You decide.

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

That has already been mentioned Ingo, see post 1204 for clarification.

[richie conroy]

if u look at the caption on the photo of mars, in the link i have added

it says false color is used to highlight the craters and ripples in sand

similar to what i have done in Rov images

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/18187871

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Yet another one of those extremely thin silver coloured edges...

[richie conroy]

Jeff H

i noticed this before when i was going through pictures do we know if the Electra had numbers set out like this and were ?

[richie conroy]

here's a close up obviously out of focus an blurred

could be numbers though, will try getting better image

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

It's a bit of an ask Richie as it's way off in the background. I wouldn't expect any ID that was stenciled/painted etc... to be visible after so long in that environment. ID that was stamped into the metal work e.g. batch numbers QC numbers stuff like that would have a better chance of survival but, would still probably not be visible under all that coral/sediment. IMHO

[Chris Johnson]

What about the painted Swastika on the Bismark, that was still visible?

[richie conroy]

me neither Jeff am just finding odd stuff in images

like these

First picture is what appears to be a round cover plate notice the holes symmetrical to circle ?

Second picture, arrow pointing down, the object looks like small light bulb cover,
other arrow is pointing to another set of symmetrical holes ?

[richie conroy]

Another odd object with straight lines i have added false color so it is easier to make out

the only thing i have seen similar to this,  is a toilet hopper in one off the Electra drawings

unless anyone knows what it could be ?

could well be odd shaped rubble who knows  :-X

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

What about the painted Swastika on the Bismark, that was still visible?

That's correct Chris although I understand that they use a tad more paint on sea going vessels than on airplanes. On airplanes it's a weight consideration and on sea going vessels they need to keep the corrosive effects of salt water at bay. The Bismark is in remarkable condition considering the pounding it took from our navy. It is suspected that she was scuttled as there appears to be no damage from her decent to the bottom of the sea. An indication that there was little or no air inside her during her decent.

[richie conroy]

i was only reading about the Bismark last night

http://news.sky.com/home/strange-news/article/16236119