Still from ROV video

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

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[John Joseph Barrett]

Jeff,   to me it looks like the hole you outline would be more down along the side of the fuselage if that is what it is. Also, from what can be seen, it appears to be more square in shape whereas the B-17's opening appears to be more along the top of the fuselage and of a more rounded shape. What you have pointed out as possible windscreen opening does resemble that of the copilot's side of the B-17.   LTM-  John

[richie conroy]

Hi All

Jeff Hayden, I have a feeling the hole which you are on about would actually be the wing tank refill port, If you look at the attached image

Object A is the outline of the engine cowling, Cough's i mean coral

Object B appear's to be aircraft skin  judging how neat the circle's are,

This object is above left to the hole your on about

Thanks Richie

[Tim Mellon]

On first glance the black mark in this still looks, well, like a black mark. Red lines pointing to it. It's an illusion created by focusing your attention on the most obvious object, the black mark, therefore your brain appoints the black mark as 'the object'. Now look at the edges of 'the black mark', blue lines pointing, thin, silver/shiny, metallic looking, straight edge, nice semi-circle cut out, goes up across then down. It's a tear in the sheet of metal and, what you are looking at as 'the black mark' is in fact the void beneath the sheet of metal. More tearing is evident above the orange whatsit. I know it's hard to get your head around this stuff but, there it is.
You might also notice some odd looking objects scattered about in the background...

Sunglasses, NOT!
Bra, NOT!

[Bob Lanz]

On first glance the black mark in this still looks, well, like a black mark. Red lines pointing to it. It's an illusion created by focusing your attention on the most obvious object, the black mark, therefore your brain appoints the black mark as 'the object'. Now look at the edges of 'the black mark', blue lines pointing, thin, silver/shiny, metallic looking, straight edge, nice semi-circle cut out, goes up across then down. It's a tear in the sheet of metal and, what you are looking at as 'the black mark' is in fact the void beneath the sheet of metal. More tearing is evident above the orange whatsit. I know it's hard to get your head around this stuff but, there it is.
You might also notice some odd looking objects scattered about in the background...

Sunglasses, NOT!
Bra, NOT!

Right Tim, but you couldn't miss the Polar Bear.  Glad you are maintaining your sense of humor here.   ;D

[Tim Mellon]

does any one know what this metal ring cud be off

Richie, I think your arrow is pointing at what John Balderston identified as the digit "2" on the right wing, when he first began commenting in August.

I began to read this entire thread this morning, starting with Mr. Hayden's shot of the landing gear with the squiggle. It is amazing to me how much you all found in the first month or so after that and how much duplicative effort I have been making without knowing the cumulative results. It is even more amazing to me  how much Ric's comments about the ROV pilot's opinions and estimates of the makeup and size of the squiggle have all had a dampeining effect on just about everyone's belief in what they think they are seeing.

[Tim Mellon]

So if the landing on the reef was relatively normal it would survive in one piece, then be washed off with minimal damage and quickly sink nose first due to engine weight, again incurring minimal damage like loss of the undercarriage and aerials, below the zone on the slope where waves could batter it against the reef and cause more damage, with corrosion being the only enemy. I'm only offering a hypothesis here, I remain unsold on the reef landing because as with all the other theories it is yet to be demonstrated with hard evidence. But if it is there I would expect it to be relatively intact excluding the corrosive action of the sea water.

Malcolm, I see we agree at least on the point you make here. I have contended that the majority of NR16020 sits crumpled in an area no bigger than the size of a basketball court.

[Tim Mellon]

Now, revisiting an old friend the squiggly but in Xtra High Definition, it appears to not be a landing gear, but rather a headset consisting of two ear-pieces connected by a circular band. The black wire is perhaps the audio lead to the headset. A bottle appears to be covered by a piece of aluminum.

[richie conroy]

Hi Tim

How did you get HD video of 2010 rov dive ?

[Bob Lanz]

Hi Tim

How did you get HD video of 2010 rov dive ?

Richie, do you mean the Extra High Definition Video?  I want to see that too.  I wasn't aware that there was an XHDV.  Where is that?

[C.W. Herndon]

I want to see it too!!

[Ric Gillespie]

When Tim refers to XHDV he means full-resolution HD video.  The video we've put up on YouTube is half-resolution because the full-resolution files are enormous and don't really look any different than the half-resolution images.  Full-resolution only becomes important when you're processing video for broadcast.  I don't have full-res files.  I have no need for them.  Tim requested the big files so I had our video guru Mark Smith send them to him.

Back on January 12, I think I made it clear that this forum is not going to discuss shapes seen in the underwater videos unless and until Jeff Glickman sees something worth discussing.  So far, Jeff has nothing to report beyond what he's already said, so I'm locking this topic.

[JNev]

This topic has been re-opened.  Enjoy.