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Harry Howe, Jr.

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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #435 on: January 25, 2012, 02:31:47 PM »


Did the tail surfaces of the Electra have its N number?  I don't recall having seen that, only the wings with really large numbers.

They're down there, we just haven't found them yet.

BTW, can someone give me a link to the ROV video? or a post number that has a link or its http location?   Thanks
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #436 on: January 25, 2012, 02:53:45 PM »


Did the tail surfaces of the Electra have its N number?  I don't recall having seen that, only the wings with really large numbers.

They're down there, we just haven't found them yet.

BTW, can someone give me a link to the ROV video? or a post number that has a link or its http location?   Thanks

Here you go Harry

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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #437 on: January 25, 2012, 03:24:43 PM »

jeff can you check the area in the box on this photo please an see if u can find any traces of ally or metal
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #438 on: January 25, 2012, 05:02:02 PM »

jeff can you check the area in the box on this photo please an see if u can find any traces of ally or metal

It would be a miracle Richie because of the low resolution. Even if I run it through a shed load of filters all we're going to end up with is black and white shapes. Good work in hunting down the tin and metalwork though Richie. Ther's a lot down there if you follow the clues, rows of holes/rivets in straight lines, in pairs, circles, semi-circles or any symetrical pattern, not random. Shiny thin edges that look torn or bent, possibly with semi-circular cuts along the edge. Remember, when the ROV is looking at the floor of the reef what you are seeing isn't always what it appears to be, check out whats under the thin coating of coral residue/silt/sediment. Best when ROV has flown over it, although in some shots it's actually landed on said material.

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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #439 on: January 25, 2012, 05:05:53 PM »


Thanks Chris
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #440 on: January 25, 2012, 06:01:11 PM »

Harry, we all agree with that. But, its a matter of money, and the expense of the ROV capabilities, and the support ship and crew. Having a robotic ROV will be expensive. I'm sure Ric has those numbers, and cringes everytime he sees them.
My personal feeling is that IF what Richie, Jeff and others have found in the video & stills ARE parts of the Electra, then I would think that there would be a favorable response from folks with the capabilities (or $ to fund them) to bring up some of these targets. I am very optomistic that TIGHAR can raise the $$$ necessary.
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True - TIGHAR has a large task on its hands - they need to find good reason to return to a spot already filmed - and I'm sure it is hard to get the level of sponsorship that's required for this search.

I like the idea of a manipulator - and I'm sure TIGHAR probably does too, perhaps even on the first trip.  One thing that has not been mentioned is that Kiribati may not be willing to allow TIGHAR to go willy-nilly gouging at precious reef, either - there may be a duty to clearly identify targets before wrenching them out of the reef face or sediment for all I know.  I would not be surprised - and the point is TIGHAR may not be free to go prodding and pulling at every formation that resembles a 'loop, wheel or hatch handle' on that reef. 

For instance - the 'loop' was in high favor here for a few days - but watch the 'moving' film carefully to get full context: it is not a 'loop' unless you see it in the still, which captures a unique perspective of what is really a rather gnarled outcropping of coral or rock - not even close to a 'loop'.  It's going to take a lot more than just studying the stills to sort things out - it's a 3-D world down there in a big way.

What is going on here is a fascinating exercise - but I have to admit, that's mainly because of the enthusiasm, not so much that I think the holy grail is going to be spooked-up from the coral from it. 

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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #441 on: January 25, 2012, 06:50:18 PM »

Harry, we all agree with that. But, its a matter of money, and the expense of the ROV capabilities, and the support ship and crew. Having a robotic ROV will be expensive. I'm sure Ric has those numbers, and cringes everytime he sees them.
My personal feeling is that IF what Richie, Jeff and others have found in the video & stills ARE parts of the Electra, then I would think that there would be a favorable response from folks with the capabilities (or $ to fund them) to bring up some of these targets. I am very optomistic that TIGHAR can raise the $$$ necessary.
Tom

True - TIGHAR has a large task on its hands - they need to find good reason to return to a spot already filmed - and I'm sure it is hard to get the level of sponsorship that's required for this search.

I like the idea of a manipulator - and I'm sure TIGHAR probably does too, perhaps even on the first trip.  One thing that has not been mentioned is that Kiribati may not be willing to allow TIGHAR to go willy-nilly gouging at precious reef, either - there may be a duty to clearly identify targets before wrenching them out of the reef face or sediment for all I know.  I would not be surprised - and the point is TIGHAR may not be free to go prodding and pulling at every formation that resembles a 'loop, wheel or hatch handle' on that reef. 

For instance - the 'loop' was in high favor here for a few days - but watch the 'moving' film carefully to get full context: it is not a 'loop' unless you see it in the still, which captures a unique perspective of what is really a rather gnarled outcropping of coral or rock - not even close to a 'loop'.  It's going to take a lot more than just studying the stills to sort things out - it's a 3-D world down there in a big way.

What is going on here is a fascinating exercise - but I have to admit, that's mainly because of the enthusiasm, not so much that I think the holy grail is going to be spooked-up from the coral from it. 

Enjoy!

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I thought the object in the red box in post 453 looked 'loopier', no pun intended Jeff  :)
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #442 on: January 25, 2012, 07:49:49 PM »

On first glance the black mark in this still looks, well, like a black mark. Red lines pointing to it. It's an illusion created by focusing your attention on the most obvious object, the black mark, therefore your brain appoints the black mark as 'the object'. Now look at the edges of 'the black mark', blue lines pointing, thin, silver/shiny, metallic looking, straight edge, nice semi-circle cut out, goes up across then down. It's a tear in the sheet of metal and, what you are looking at as 'the black mark' is in fact the void beneath the sheet of metal. More tearing is evident above the orange whatsit. I know it's hard to get your head around this stuff but, there it is.
You might also notice some odd looking objects scattered about in the background...

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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #443 on: January 25, 2012, 11:08:21 PM »

I see your point - the 'black mark' looks more like a shadow cast underneath a flat, but somewhat wrinkled / wavy sheet or plate.  The 'object' appears to have either holes in it, or dark, smaller objects dotting its surface.

'Shadow' is what is suggested, but I'm having trouble reconciling that against the angle of lighting from the ROV, as compared to the somewhat more subtle shadowing / different angle on other objects - rocks lying about, etc.
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #444 on: January 26, 2012, 05:21:37 AM »

I'm here guys, just watching and taking all of this in.
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #445 on: January 26, 2012, 06:44:53 AM »

I had always considered this outcrop of circular coral to be a natural feature, it happens. However, when I noticed it was also conical it raised my suspicions. On closer examination the top of the circle appears to have some sort of 'bracket' which still has remnants of whatever it was attached to on it, the edges of the outcrop have that now familiar thin metallic appearance and theres something un coral like near the bottom. Now, from previous posts the title given to the object is arbritary, I am using nosecone so I can locate it easily from the increasing number of files on my pc's. I will try to post a better pic soon.
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #446 on: January 26, 2012, 10:35:52 AM »

Jeff, notice the 'T' shaped peice and the 'Triangular' peice?
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #447 on: January 26, 2012, 12:15:12 PM »


Chris
Round Object   Navigator's Stool cushion?
T-Bar  Navigator's T Square?
Triangle  45 degree/90 degree triangle?
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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #448 on: January 26, 2012, 12:25:54 PM »


Chris
Round Object   Navigator's Stool cushion?
T-Bar  Navigator's T Square?
Triangle  45 degree/90 degree triangle?

Could be anything Harry but the two items I see have a man made look about them.
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Harry Howe, Jr.

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Re: Still from ROV video
« Reply #449 on: January 26, 2012, 12:36:37 PM »


Chris
No question in my mind that they are man-made and I think that the circular object is also.  Nature hardly ever makes things with straight edges or circles.  Except maybe Crop Circles  LOL.
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