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Tim Mellon

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IRS Form 990
« on: September 14, 2013, 08:59:53 AM »

Might I respectfully request information on how to find Form 990 Information Return for TIGHAR tax years ending June 2011 and 2012? Non-profit organizations are required to have these forms available for public inspection.

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 09:43:40 AM »

Might I respectfully request information on how to find Form 990 Information Return for TIGHAR tax years ending June 2011 and 2012? Non-profit organizations are required to have these forms available for public inspection.

As is the accepted norm for all nonprofits, TIGHAR's Form 990 for fiscal year 2011/2012 was duly filed and will be available for public inspection when http://www.guidestar.org posts it.
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Tim Mellon

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 10:52:44 AM »

Thank you, Ric.

Isn't it also supposed to be available at the organization's place of business?

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 04:34:03 PM »

 ???

Doesn't that hurt?

Respectfully, of course.
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2013, 07:16:04 PM »

Isn't it also supposed to be available at the organization's place of business?

Yes, it is, and we'll be proud to put a copy up on the TIGHAR website.  TIGHAR is one of the most efficient, cost-effective, low-overhead, most bang-for-the-buck nonprofits you'll ever see.
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Tim Mellon

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 08:58:02 PM »

Thanks, Ric. That would be useful.

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Tim Mellon

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 07:26:24 PM »

Now, a week later, I can still not find the 2012 Form 990 on the TIGHAR website.

Ric, I plan to stop by your place of business next week to pick up a copy of the form 990. I will pay for the copy ($1 for the first page and $0.15 for each additional page) with cash.

 
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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 07:14:04 PM »

As a person who is reasonably knowledgable about the vagaracies of IRS 990 forms, I can say with complete confidence that when GuideStar gets them is whenever the entity's accountant gets around to filling it out, it gets to the IRS, and the IRS gets around to releasing the information. Some of the groups I've worked for get their 990s as late as December. Or the entity may file directly with GuideStar, but with the same caveat that 2012 may mean wayyyyyy late in 2013 before it's publicly available.

That means that a "2012" 990 form may not show up until late in 2013, as any examination of GuideStar will demonostrate to all but the most unwilling of viewers.

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 07:53:34 PM »

Now, a week later, I can still not find the 2012 Form 990 on the TIGHAR website.

Ric, I plan to stop by your place of business next week to pick up a copy of the form 990. I will pay for the copy ($1 for the first page and $0.15 for each additional page) with cash.

By now you should know that trying to bully TIGHAR doesn't work.  I said I'd put the fiscal year 2011/2012 990 on the TIGHAR website and I will.  I've been rather busy of late raising money to defend TIGHAR against your lawsuit.  We should get around to putting up the 990 this weekend.  I'll let everyone know when it's up.
What's the big deal deal with the 990 anyway?  Is there something in particular you're looking for or is this just more harassment? 
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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 08:02:55 PM »

Ric,
Does this mean you and Pat aren't coming to Atlanta next week to visit me and Suzanne.  Keep us advised.
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Tim Mellon

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 12:37:39 AM »

As a person who is reasonably knowledgable about the vagaracies of IRS 990 forms, I can say with complete confidence that when GuideStar gets them is whenever the entity's accountant gets around to filling it out, it gets to the IRS, and the IRS gets around to releasing the information. Some of the groups I've worked for get their 990s as late as December. Or the entity may file directly with GuideStar, but with the same caveat that 2012 may mean wayyyyyy late in 2013 before it's publicly available.

That means that a "2012" 990 form may not show up until late in 2013, as any examination of GuideStar will demonostrate to all but the most unwilling of viewers.

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Mr. Fowler, may I respectfully draw your attention to the regulations concerning the availability of the Form 990:

(1) GuideStar does not count as "widely available" because signatures are redacted; and

(2) Irrespective of internet publication, the Form 990 must be available for inspection (but not copying: Ric is correct) at the Organization's place of business during normal business hours.

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2013, 06:26:41 AM »

(1) GuideStar does not count as "widely available" because signatures are redacted; and

True, according to the summary of regulations you cite.

(2) Irrespective of internet publication, the Form 990 must be available for inspection and copying at the Organization's place of business during normal business hours.

Not true, according to the summary of regulations you cite.

"The law provides that a non-profit need not provide copies of its Form 990 or 1023 if it has made those documents "widely available." Under the IRS regulations, an organization can satisfy this requirement by posting the document(s) on the Internet, either on the organization's own Web page, or as part of a database of similar documents, established and maintained by another entity."

That seems very clear and "posting it on the organization's website" is exactly what I've said we'll do.  How did you get that so wrong?

You might also read the section titled Exceptions for Harassment Campaigns.
"some indicators of a harassment campaign may include: ... evidence of intent to significantly deter the organization's personnel from pursuing its exempt purpose"
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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 12:31:12 PM »

Because of this, I'm sending what I can TIGHAR's way.  I sent $55 the first time, and $15 for each additional intimidation.

I've just done the same thing.  I realize that my additional $15 is economically irrelevant, but number of active donors and number of donations are also statistics that matter.

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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 02:26:27 PM »

Tim

You are not entitled to view 2011 2012 form as you at the time had not been contributing or donating for 12 months or over
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Re: IRS Form 990
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 02:48:06 PM »

Richie,

why would that be? Isn't it a public document?
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