TIGHAR
Chatterbox => Extraneous exchanges => Topic started by: Tim Mellon on September 14, 2013, 08:59:53 AM
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Might I respectfully request information on how to find Form 990 Information Return for TIGHAR tax years ending June 2011 and 2012? Non-profit organizations are required to have these forms available for public inspection.
Thank you,
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Might I respectfully request information on how to find Form 990 Information Return for TIGHAR tax years ending June 2011 and 2012? Non-profit organizations are required to have these forms available for public inspection.
As is the accepted norm for all nonprofits, TIGHAR's Form 990 for fiscal year 2011/2012 was duly filed and will be available for public inspection when http://www.guidestar.org posts it.
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Thank you, Ric.
Isn't it also supposed to be available at the organization's place of business (http://www.qual990.org/spotlight.html)?
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???
Doesn't that hurt?
Respectfully, of course.
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Isn't it also supposed to be available at the organization's place of business (http://www.qual990.org/spotlight.html)?
Yes, it is, and we'll be proud to put a copy up on the TIGHAR website. TIGHAR is one of the most efficient, cost-effective, low-overhead, most bang-for-the-buck nonprofits you'll ever see.
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Thanks, Ric. That would be useful.
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Now, a week later, I can still not find the 2012 Form 990 on the TIGHAR website.
Ric, I plan to stop by your place of business next week to pick up a copy of the form 990. I will pay for the copy ($1 for the first page and $0.15 for each additional page) with cash.
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As a person who is reasonably knowledgable about the vagaracies of IRS 990 forms, I can say with complete confidence that when GuideStar gets them is whenever the entity's accountant gets around to filling it out, it gets to the IRS, and the IRS gets around to releasing the information. Some of the groups I've worked for get their 990s as late as December. Or the entity may file directly with GuideStar, but with the same caveat that 2012 may mean wayyyyyy late in 2013 before it's publicly available.
That means that a "2012" 990 form may not show up until late in 2013, as any examination of GuideStar will demonostrate to all but the most unwilling of viewers.
LTM, who knows a few things about pushing paper,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 CER
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Now, a week later, I can still not find the 2012 Form 990 on the TIGHAR website.
Ric, I plan to stop by your place of business next week to pick up a copy of the form 990. I will pay for the copy ($1 for the first page and $0.15 for each additional page) with cash.
By now you should know that trying to bully TIGHAR doesn't work. I said I'd put the fiscal year 2011/2012 990 on the TIGHAR website and I will. I've been rather busy of late raising money to defend TIGHAR against your lawsuit. We should get around to putting up the 990 this weekend. I'll let everyone know when it's up.
What's the big deal deal with the 990 anyway? Is there something in particular you're looking for or is this just more harassment?
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Ric,
Does this mean you and Pat aren't coming to Atlanta next week to visit me and Suzanne. Keep us advised.
Ted
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As a person who is reasonably knowledgable about the vagaracies of IRS 990 forms, I can say with complete confidence that when GuideStar gets them is whenever the entity's accountant gets around to filling it out, it gets to the IRS, and the IRS gets around to releasing the information. Some of the groups I've worked for get their 990s as late as December. Or the entity may file directly with GuideStar, but with the same caveat that 2012 may mean wayyyyyy late in 2013 before it's publicly available.
That means that a "2012" 990 form may not show up until late in 2013, as any examination of GuideStar will demonostrate to all but the most unwilling of viewers.
LTM, who knows a few things about pushing paper,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 CER
Mr. Fowler, may I respectfully draw your attention to the regulations (http://www.njnonprofits.org/irs_disclosure_regs.html) concerning the availability of the Form 990:
(1) GuideStar does not count as "widely available" because signatures are redacted; and
(2) Irrespective of internet publication, the Form 990 must be available for inspection (but not copying: Ric is correct) at the Organization's place of business during normal business hours.
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(1) GuideStar does not count as "widely available" because signatures are redacted; and
True, according to the summary of regulations you cite.
(2) Irrespective of internet publication, the Form 990 must be available for inspection and copying at the Organization's place of business during normal business hours.
Not true, according to the summary of regulations you cite.
"The law provides that a non-profit need not provide copies of its Form 990 or 1023 if it has made those documents "widely available." Under the IRS regulations, an organization can satisfy this requirement by posting the document(s) on the Internet, either on the organization's own Web page, or as part of a database of similar documents, established and maintained by another entity."
That seems very clear and "posting it on the organization's website" is exactly what I've said we'll do. How did you get that so wrong?
You might also read the section titled Exceptions for Harassment Campaigns.
"some indicators of a harassment campaign may include: ... evidence of intent to significantly deter the organization's personnel from pursuing its exempt purpose"
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Because of this, I'm sending what I can TIGHAR's way. I sent $55 the first time, and $15 for each additional intimidation.
I've just done the same thing. I realize that my additional $15 is economically irrelevant, but number of active donors and number of donations are also statistics that matter.
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Tim
You are not entitled to view 2011 2012 form as you at the time had not been contributing or donating for 12 months or over
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Richie,
why would that be? Isn't it a public document?
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Because of this, I'm sending what I can TIGHAR's way. I sent $55 the first time, and $15 for each additional intimidation.
I've just done the same thing. I realize that my additional $15 is economically irrelevant, but number of active donors and number of donations are also statistics that matter.
$15 is not economically irrelevant. If every registered member of the forum donated $15 we would instantly exceed the current $15,000 goal. No one should scoff at a $15 donation.
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Tim
You are not entitled to view 2011 2012 form as you at the time had not been contributing or donating for 12 months or over
No, Richie, I am entitled to ask (lo, demand) because I am a US citizen and the Internal
Revenue Service has dictated the regulations. We are not subject here to Royal Whim anymore.
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::)
Doesn't that hurt?
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As mentioned earlier, we intended to get the current Form 990 uploaded to the TIGHAR website this weekend but we have a technical glitch and, for some reason, are unable to upload any new files. I expect we'll have it sorted out in a day or so.
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Ric, how about posting it as a ".pdf" in the meantime? Otherwise, I will come to your office Tuesday to get a copy. Thanks.
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Marty was able to fix the problem. The 990 is now on the website as a series of jpgs via the About TIGHAR (http://tighar.org/about.htm) page but we'll replace that with a pdf tomorrow.
Enjoy.
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To quote the best movie in the entire universe, "And there was much rejoicing."
Seriously ... what is so earth-shatteringly important that is contained in this pedestrian document? I think we have slid well past, "Much ado about nothing."
LTM, who trys to remember what really matters in here,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 CER
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Marty was able to fix the problem. The 990 is now on the website as a series of jpgs via the About TIGHAR (http://tighar.org/about.htm) page but we'll replace that with a pdf tomorrow.
Enjoy.
Thank you, Ric.
Thank you, Marty.
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The 990 has been posted as requested and there will be no further discussion. This topic is now locked.