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[Ric Gillespie]

The purpose of this Forum project is to assemble a list of surviving examples of the Lockheed Model 10 Electra, including known wreck sites.  When the list is complete we'll publish it on the TIGHAR website as a resource for anyone and everyone to use.
Attached is an Excel spreadsheet we'll use to assemble the list.  I've enter a couple aircraft to get the ball rolling. If you can add to the list, just post the information you have to this thread and we'll update and re-post the spreadsheet.  Also, if you have a photo of the subject Electra, post it to the forum and we'll grab it to use in the website Survivor's List (assuming there are no copyright issues).

[Michael Elliot]

Ric,
POTENTAL SOURCES OF L-10 DRAWINGS, BLUEPRINTS, PARTS LISTS, etc.         
First source: the FAA N-list of OWNERS
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Inquiry.aspx
this tells you who to ask.

***An example:***
S/N 1026, N38BB - Originally delivered to Braniff Airways as NC14937. The N-list will give:
Owner
Frederick W. Patterson III
2 Entrada Cir.
American Canyon CA

you have to go add the zip code from elsewhere   94503-3111
same with phone.

Then, go to the successor of Braniff. From Wikipedia we find: “The remains of the original Braniff—including Braniff Airways original Tax ID number (FEIN)—are retained by a company named "Asworth" in Dallas. Asworth was formed out of the old "Dalfort" corporation and is responsible for paying pilot pensions according to the Braniff Retired Pilots Group, B.I.S.E.”

There were several other companies that operated this aircraft, and I suspect that Patterson will tell you which they were. It also had a different N number when operated by during earlier owners  Provincetown-Boston Airlines – N38PB.

Then, go to Provincetown-Boston Airlines.

Many  probably had several N numbers over the years. The FAA permits changes for whatever reason the owner has.

Some entries in the FAA Nlist show corporate, or partnership names. You have to search the financial and state company data for real persons involved.

***End of example.***


Second, See Operators under
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Model_10_Electra
For each US, UK, AUS, NZ, RSA, FR, and Canadian company, or its successor, have your volunteer locate the name of the current company HISTORIAN or ARCHIVIST. Write, or better, call, and ask if their records include the resources used by their maintenance departments, just for Lockheed L-10 aircraft, and if so, can you have a copy. If no historian or archivist, check SEC filings 10K etc., for names of directors – look for contacts.

Third, Air Museums
For all Air Museums that have an L-10, call by phone and ask for the name, address, and phone of the CREW CHIEF of the L-10. Then either call or write that crew chief person and say you are seeking blueprints, drawings, all illustrations for the L-10, and if they have some, can you have a copy. Note, AMs often have ex-military as staff – treat accordingly.

Fourth, South America
Find a person whose mother tongue is W. Hemi Spanish, and have them compose the same for Latin American historical carriers who used L-10s. If you have members in Chile, Argentina & Brazil, enlist them for research and tracking of L-10 graphics..

Fifth. Other Overseas
Because you have members in CAN, AUS & NZ you might ask for volunteers to follow up those airplanes. I do not know if they have public access to data as in US.

Sixth. The wrecks
Leave until last because tracking is difficult UNLESS there is a signpost in the data. See e.g., S/N 1216 in  the survivors list. For earlier wrecks, TIGHAR may have a list from when it did the Alaska wreck.

My first pass at survivors follows.

[Michael Elliot]

Some more leads. I expect a couple of these are still under weeds behind a hangar. Contacts at the So Am airlines listed should help -- they, or their successors still exist. Backwaters such as Cuba, Bolivia etc., especially, may be productive.  These came up in a search on "avion Lockheed L-10" if you want to reproduce it.

While the "The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known." to the author, it doesn't necessarily mean they were scrapped. If you really do find an interesting one behind a hangar, let me know, please. My AM may just want to have it for restoration.

Lockheed L-10 Electra

NC 13762, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1009, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Nacional Cubana de Aviacion, registered NM-15. This aircraft was later transferred to Pacific Alaska Airways. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

NC 14259, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1006, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Nacional Cubana de Aviacion, and then later to Pacific Alaska Airways. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

NC 14906, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1019, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Nacional Cubana de Aviacion, registered NM-12. This aircraft was later transferred to Pacific Alaska Airways. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known..

NC 30077, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1133, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Pacific Alaska Airways. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

NC 30078, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1134, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Pacific Alaska Airways. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BAS, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1043, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BCJ, Lockheed L-10E Electra, notes: C/n 1042, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion, then to Pacific Alaska, registered NC 14972. This aircraft was later transferred to Panair do Brasil, registered PP-PAS. Today (2007), this aircraft is currently on the United States registry as N1602D.

XA-BEM, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1004, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Aerovias Centrales. This aircraft was later assigned to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion, and later to Compania Nacional Cubana de Aviacion, registered NM-17. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BEN, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1005, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan am first assigned this Lockheed Electra to Aerovias Centrales. This aircraft was later assigned to Compania Nacional Cubana de Aviacion, registered NM-11, and then to Pacific Alaska Airways, registered NC 14259. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BEO, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1007, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Aerovias Centrales, then to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BEP, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1008, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Aerovias Centrales. This aircraft was later transferred to Panair do Brasil, registered PP-PAX. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BEQ, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1022, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Aerovias Centrales. This aircraft was later transferred to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

XA-BEU, Lockheed L-10 Electra, notes: C/n 1041, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion. The fate of this Lockheed L-10 Electra is not known.

S/N ??  Este avión fue entregado a Eastern Airlines el 24-Sep-1935 como NC14959. Science museum, London. NC1571N
http://www.aviationcorner.net/gallery.asp?aircraft_type=Lockheed%20L-10&aircraft_type_id=777

S/N ??  42-2    España - Ejército del Aire,  Este avión el 42-2,junto con el 42-4,fueron los dos
"Electras" que volaron en la Aviación Nacional.
El 42-2 fue el avión al servicio del Gral.Kindelán, jefe de la Aviación Nacional.Despues de la guerra, pasa a volar con el Grupo de Estado Mayor con el numeral 91-2.  Causando baja por falta de repuestos en 1953. Foto obtenida de mi buen amigo el Subteniente Manuel Gonzalez Nuñez.
http://www.aviationcorner.net/gallery.asp?aircraft_type=Lockheed%20L-10&aircraft_type_id=777

S/N ??  (NM16)  Compania Cubana de Aviacion SA.
http://www.ecured.cu/images/e/e7/Electra.jpg

 

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Science museum London Lockheed Electra model 10 details....
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/I052/10320843.aspx

[Kristina Sackett RN]

This is the list I found: at http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Lockheed%20L10%20Electra%20Photographs.html

Electra Census
Serial   c/n   Owner and notes
CF-TCA   1112   National Aviation Museum, Ontario, Canada.
C-FTCC   1116   Western Canada Aviaition Museum, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Painted as CF-TCC.
N19HL   1130   Valiant Air Command, Titusville, Florida.
N38BB   1026   Western Aerospace Museum, Oakland, California, USA.
N72GT   1015   Airworthy. Linda Finch, Oakland, California, USA. Carries NR16020 and N1602D under wing.
N241M   1091   JT Almand. Flies as RCAF 7656 out of Grand Prairie, Texas, USA.
N1602D   1042   Grace McGuire, Stored Old Bridge, New Jersey, USA.
N4963C   1011   Pima Air Museum, Tucson, Arizona, USA. Painted as NC14260.
NC5171N   1037   Science Museum, South Kensington, London, UK.
N57573   1052   New England Air Museum, Bradley International Airport, Windsor Locks, Connecticut, UA.
VH-ASM   1107   Yesterday's Air Force, Bankstown, Sydney, Australia. Painted as VH-UZO.
ZK-AFD   1095   Museum of Technology and Transport, Auckland, New Zealand.
ZK-AWR   1145   Rob Mackley, New Zealand.
ZK-BUT   1138   Museum of Technology and Transport, Auckland, New Zealand.
36-353   3501   XC-35. National Air and Space Museum. Stored Garber facility, Maryland, USA.

[Ric Gillespie]

That's an old list. c/n 1130 hasn't belonged to the Valiant Air Command for probably 15 years.  Finch sold c/n 1042 to Mike Kammerer 12 years ago.

[Kristina Sackett RN]

Of course it is

[Michael Elliot]

S/N 1026  38BB is no longer in the Oakland Air Museum. Fred. Patterson moved it for some reason.

[Vahe Demirjian]

In addition to the 15 Lockheed 10 Electras listed at http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Lockheed%20L10%20Electra%20Photographs.html, I found three more surviving Lockheed 10s at http://flytoanothertime.com/Fly_To_Another_Time/Lockheed_10_%26_12.html (a more up-to-date list of surviving Model 10 Electras): They are:

1. S/N 1059, N5705 - Originally delivered to Chicago and Southern Airlines as NC16024.  Status unknown. Previously registered to Universal Air Leasing, Grand Blanc, Michigan. 
2. S/N 1066, N16054 - Previously registered to Monarch Airways, Dayton, Ohio. Status Unknown.
3. S/N 1076, N2405 - USAAF 42-38342. Stored in New Jersey. (Only surviving C-36A)

Apart from NR16020 (c/n 1055), c/n 1042 (only surviving 10E), and the sole XC-35 (c/n 3501), the fate of the 12 other 10E Electras is listed below:

1. NC 30077 notes: C/n 1133, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Pacific Alaska Airways. Sold to Sold to Saco Colombia. Crashed Yoro October 17, 1946 (see http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YQYtmqkje0wJ:www.goldenyears.ukf.net/reg_C-.htm+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us for data)

2. NC 30078 notes: C/n 1134, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Pacific Alaska Airways. Sold to SACO Colombia. Crashed May 20, 1947 (see http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YQYtmqkje0wJ:www.goldenyears.ukf.net/reg_C-.htm+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us for data)

3. 42-32533 Lockheed C-36B c/n 1125 impressed into USAAF. Redesignated UC-36B-LO in 1943. not taken up. fate unknown last known owner: Posta Aera (?)

4. 42-32534 Lockheed C-36B c/n 1129 NC18987 with Idaho Maryland Mining, impressed Mar 14, 1942.  WFU Feb 3, 1943 ad Salinas, CA. fate unknown

5. 42-38289 Lockheed C-36B  c/n 1054 NC14994 of Continental impressed into USAAF serviice Mar 14, 1942.  Redesignated UC-36B-LO in 1943. To NC1494.  WFU May 12, 1944. fate unknown

6. 42-38296 Lockheed C-36B c/n 1140 NC1621 of Texaco impressed into USAAF service Mar 14, 1942.  Redesignated UC-36B-LO in 1943. WFU Feb 15, 1943. fate unknown

7. 42-38304 Lockheed C-36B c/n 1117 NC18139 of United Gas impressed by USAAF Mar 14, 1942 Redesignated UC-36B-LO in 1943.  To NC14994 May 12, 1944 fate unknown

8. NR16059, c/n 1065. Later registered as CCCP-H214 (see http://tighar.org/wiki/NR16059:_%22Daily_Express%22_Electra_10E_Special for info). Fate Unknown

9. NC19982 c/n 1118 NC19982 NC3030 YV-MGO-2 YV-AEP YV-P-AEF YV-C-AVR YV-C-GAA YV-P-EPS YV-E-FPO    Written off in hangar fire Caracas 4.71

10. XA-BAS, notes: C/n 1043, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion. Destroyed Feb. 9, 1938 on test flight

11. XA-BAU c/n/ 1041, ordered by Pan Am on 13 December 1933. Pan Am assigned this Lockheed Electra to Compania Mexicana de Aviacion. destroyed Dec. 2, 1938

12. c/n 1115 M.M. 1 last known owner: Argentine Navy

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Serial Number W9104 was a Lockheed 10A Electra (Lockheed Serial Number 1122) delivered new with British registration G-AFEB in 1938 impressed into service with the Royal Air Force 12 April 1940, damaged beyond repair 12 October 1941.

And, an interesting article on British Airways LTD, not the British Airways of today and, no relation whatsoever but...

On 7 February 1937, all services were transferred to Croydon Airport, after surfaces at Gatwick became water-logged due to heavy traffic on immature turf and drains that collapsed; some training operations remained there. In March 1937, the first four of seven Lockheed 10 Electras were delivered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Ltd.

[Michael Elliot]

Survivors as of 10 Dec 2012
c/n
1011
1015
1026  Air maybe
1037
1042  Air
1052
1076
1095
1107
1112
1116  Air
1130
1138
1145
3501
Air indicates airworthy

Of of 149 mfd, 137 have been identified as of 10 Dec 2012, leaving 12 to be identified.

Will forward that list. It includes some pictures. Tell me what format you want -- pdf, doc. Regrets, but it is too untidy to put into a spreadsheet without some work.
 
Those not  located yet are c/n 1063 1064 1071 1081 1083 1096 1104 1113 1115 1125 1143 1149. I have not searched military regs that never transferred to civilian reg. in US, Canada and Argentina. Those are the next places to be examined.

Regards to all.

[Vahe Demirjian]

Hi Michael Elliot,

Concerning the identities and whereabouts of c/n 1063 1064 1071 1081 1083 1096 1104 1113 1115 1125 1143 1149:

c/n
1063 (http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/RCAF_1500_1549_detailed.html)
1064 (http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/RCAF_1500_1549_detailed.html)
1071 (http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=109031)
1081 (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/FisherJack/11216.htm)
1083 (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/FisherJack/11216.htm)
1096 (http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac3/Airline/Mid-Continent%20Airlines%20Lockheed%2010A.html
1104 (http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=27731)
1113 (http://www.ody.ca/~bwalker/RCAF_1500_1549_detailed.html)
1115 (http://www.oocities.org/capecanaveral/1307/ana1.htm)
1125 (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Forum/Highlights61_80/highlights61.html)
1143 (R.E.G. Davies, Airlines of Latin America Since 1919 (Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1984)
1149 (R.E.G. Davies, Airlines of Latin America Since 1919 (Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1984)

Hopefully this should complete the list of all extant Lockheed Model 10 Electras.

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

Survivors as of 10 Dec 2012 ...

I've tried, as best I can, to consolidate the information in this thread on an "Electra Survivors" page.

There seem to be some discrepancies, most notably with 1011 and 1042.

[Ric Gillespie]

There seem to be some discrepancies, most notably with 1011 and 1042.

I don't think 1011 ever had an "N" number.

I'm sure that Kammerer never owned 1042.  McGuire bought the airplane at least 20, maybe 30, years ago after it was severely damaged in a hangar fire in Florida.  She has been slowly piecing it back together ever since - always with the dream of recreating AE's world flight.
I do not think it is airworthy yet.

[Andrew M McKenna]

Ric

You say

"I'm sure that Kammerer never owned 1042.  McGuire bought the airplane at least 20, maybe 30, years ago after it was severely damaged in a hangar fire in Florida.  She has been slowly piecing it back together ever since - always with the dream of recreating AE's world flight.
I do not think it is airworthy yet."

But in reply #6, you said "Finch sold c/n 1042 to Mike Kammerer 12 years ago." which conflicts with your statement above.

I think you must have mixed up numbers, yes?

amck