Current Status of Niku 7 video analysis

Started by don hirth, September 28, 2012, 05:08:31 PM

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Tim Mellon

ROV has the arm, not the AUV.

And what particular objects are you referring to?

Tim
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PanAm Systems

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richie conroy

I Believe the object's the yellow lines point too in attached image, Are all man made object's

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Will Hatchell

Richie,

What do think about the "blocky" objects in the upper left of the view? Think any of it might be a part of the Electra's superstructure - perhaps? Could also simply be blocky rock outcrops. :-X

Hatch

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richie conroy

Hi Will

Not sure of that area yet, But i think the object i have circled in black on the attached image, Could be the retractable landing gear mechanism.

If Tighar's speculation about what the man made object's are part of, The mechanism should fit into the place i have highlighted

Thanks Richie 
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Vahe Demirjian

Mellow out, lads. Jeff Glickman has done a good job looking for aircraft debris in the underwater video taken during Niku VII. I'm confident that the shape of the debris itself is consistent with the shape of the Bevington object because it was found north of the Norwich City. How does the aircraft debris seen in the Niku VII video compare with the landing gear of the B-24 that crashed at Kanton Island?

Bob Lanz

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Quote from: Vahe Demirjian on November 22, 2012, 06:35:07 PM
Mellow out, lads. Jeff Glickman has done a good job looking for aircraft debris in the underwater video taken during Niku VII. I'm confident that the shape of the debris itself is consistent with the shape of the Bevington object because it was found north of the Norwich City. How does the aircraft debris seen in the Niku VII video compare with the landing gear of the B-24 that crashed at Kanton Island?

Significantly larger and not even close.  And let me further clarify, no one has identified a landing gear or part thereof in the debris field.  Not even Jeff Glickman.  Also, allow me to ask who you are, to tell we "lads" (and lassies) to mellow out?

Doc
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Bill Roe

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Quote from: Vahe Demirjian on November 22, 2012, 06:35:07 PM
.......... I'm confident that the shape of the debris itself is consistent with the shape of the Bevington object because it was found north of the Norwich City...........

Hmmmmm.......
A friend, a former USAF Intelligence Operations Specialist, a Photo Interpreter studied the enlargement of the photo of the Bevington object - independent without bias or clues.  He saw white saltwater froth resulting from a fish or animal jumping or swimming in the water on the reef. 

So I asked, "could this be part of an airplane?"  Answer:  "Highly unlikely.  Too much whitewater froth for not enough wave/water action.  It appears the object (fish?) is moving".

{I cannot attach the photo I used.  A window claims the attachment can't be used.....  Here is the photo title: Img_20121122_104201,jpg.  It is the enlargement of the Bevington Object Glickman used during May 2012 for a presentation.  It is against a maroon background.} 

So, I argue that the object could be an Electra Main Gear or it could be a Fish.  Or anything including a defect in the film.  Another problem with the Bevington Photo that, to the best of my knowledge, has not been addressed - are the numerous anomalies on the photograph. 

Now, for your statement: "Mellow out, lads. Jeff Glickman has done a good job........."  Maybe so.  But we cannot be certain.  Mr. Glickman's analysis has been compromised as a result of biased input from the report owner.  It is my sincere hope that the report owner enlists another, outside photo expert to analyze the photograph in order to determine another, independent opinion.  And in order to properly/professionally promote TIGHAR's opinion of authenticity of a main landing gear of an Electra L10E, a second unbiased analysis should be accomplished.

Vahe Demirjian


Martin X. Moleski, SJ

Quote from: Bill Roe on November 22, 2012, 07:46:00 PM
{I cannot attach the photo I used.  A window claims the attachment can't be used.....  Here is the photo title: Img_20121122_104201,jpg.}

The comma is out of place.

The convention is ".jpg", not ",jpg".
LTM,

           Marty
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Tim Mellon

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Quote from: Vahe Demirjian on November 22, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
A fish? You'd have to ask Jeff.
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A fish?

That would explain why Tom Sw  and I could both find a landing gear mechanism (in different locations) in the 2010 debris field.

By the way, any idea what kind of fish?

                                                                 :)
Tim
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PanAm Systems

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Dan Kelly

Quote from: Tim Mellon on November 22, 2012, 08:56:31 PM

That would explain why Tom Sw  and I could both find a landing gear mechanism (in different locations) in the 2010 debris field.
        :)

You did? - could you post the pics that show these things. I mean something that shows it clearly not those rocks you keep posting.

Alan Harris

Quote from: Bill Roe on November 22, 2012, 07:46:00 PM
It is the enlargement of the Bevington Object Glickman used during May 2012 for a presentation.  It is against a maroon background.

Bill, by chance, is it one of the series taken at the Symposium?  Example below.  I see a maroon background and the whitewater splash that you mention.

Dan Kelly

Quote from: Alan Harris on November 22, 2012, 11:02:51 PM

Bill, by chance, is it one of the series taken at the Symposium?  Example below.  I see a maroon background and the whitewater splash that you mention.

Sure looks like it - a big fish jumping and caught just as Bevington clicked the shutter. I've seen sharks in shallow water doing that when they are chasing fish shoals.

Bill Roe

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Quote from: Alan Harris on November 22, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
Quote from: Bill Roe on November 22, 2012, 07:46:00 PM
It is the enlargement of the Bevington Object Glickman used during May 2012 for a presentation.  It is against a maroon background.

Bill, by chance, is it one of the series taken at the Symposium?  Example below.  I see a maroon background and the whitewater splash that you mention.

That's the one.  Thank you Alan Harris. 

That photo also clearly shows Jeff Glickman's company signature clearly indicating he is acting as a professional.




Chris Johnson

Not acting as a 'professional' if I take a quick look at the photo above it appears to be either an object moving inshore leaving a wake or alternativly a fixed object on a receding tide leaving a wake.

Its whats below that counts :)