Deserted Island, Castaways, Survival

[richie conroy]

talking bout sextant boxes is the box in pic above to big to be one ?

[richie conroy]

haha its not, Noonan is there as well

an the only reason i asked was because noonans hat is next to it  :)

[richie conroy]

dya know what,  i have been trying for a month with out success no matter what i try  :(

i think the numbers are smudged or somethink haha  ;)

[Heath Smith]

It looks like a toolbox sitting on a work bench with other tools scattered around it.

[richie conroy]

It looks like a toolbox sitting on a work bench with other tools scattered around it.

could well be was just a thought  :)

[Harry Howe, Jr.]

GIN?   Fred?   I thought he was a Cognac (as in a Benedictine Bottle)Man.

[richie conroy]

think this first pic i av seen wid rope in  :)

[Gary LaPook]

Gary
Lake Saganaga, yes, got into it once from the south out of Agnes Lake and one of the three branches of the Agnes River.  Big lake as I recall with many bays in which to catch Morthern Pike and get lost in.

I tried to send these charts to Harry by private message but you apparently can't have attachments on private messages.

gl

[Harry Howe, Jr.]

Gary
Ah yes, the Quetico, I have those charts somewhere in my Quetico Canoeing File (hard copy of course).   Was only in Saganaga once cause going in from Ely it is way out there but it is a great lake for trophy Northern Pike.

[Harry Howe, Jr.]

Let's consider this
Fred Noonan was an accomplished Seaman, having been  at sea all his life and rising thru the ranks to that of Captain.  He was a pilot and an accomplished navigator.

Would he have hunkered down on that deserted island, knowing that the "cavalry" wasn't coming to their rescue, and just waited to die?  I think not.  I think thart he would have used thew materials and tools at hand to get off the island and drift, paddle, sail to the nearest occupied place (prolly Fiji) depending mostly on the winds.

Thoughts?

[Tom Swearengen]

harry----That is an interesting theory, and one that I hadnt considered. Probably because of the speculation that he was injured in the landing. If he wasnt injured, he could have made a raft (like Tom Hank's in castaway) but maybe the winds would have been from the wrong direction.

Good thinking-----maybe another reason we havent seen much evidence of his demise on Niku---maybe he didnt pass away there---

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Great topic Harry. Any thoughts on, if they did make it to Gardner Island did they know the name of the island they were on? Would it have been marked on FNs navigation maps as Gardner Island?
It would be a great bonus in any attempt to escape from A to B if you actually know where A is in the first place.

[Harry Howe, Jr.]

Fred was a navigator, he had charts, he knew   that they had flown about 3 hours (400 sm) after the "last words" transmission.  Draw an arc w 400 sm radius from Howland and see what land it intercepts on your chart.in the SSE.

Didn't they have a life raft?  Didn't it have paddles, perhaps even a sail?  Parachutes to be used as a sail?  Prevailing winds towards the SSE  i.e Fiji?  Or would they rather sit and die?

[richie conroy]

could he be clever than we thought, realized the electra was gettin floated out to reef edge, collected all the rope he could tie one end onto electra an one onto norwich city life boat,

when the electra goes over drags the life boat onto water  :D   

[Harry Howe, Jr.]

Is there any documentation about how many lifeboats from the NC were  left behind by the survivors?  and how many were on the island when the settlers came?

Richie has a good scenario, use the weight of the moving Lockheed to move the lifeboat onto water.