Still from ROV video

[richie conroy]

jeff i know what you mean, an i have a close up of a still that shows a rivet still in place an rivert holes in running in a line on the angle u would expect  :)

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Here's what we are looking at IMHO, the BIG object under the RDF 'coral outcrop' where else would it be, the cockpit. You are looking at its roof  and where the plexiglass used to be and, inside a seat.
Red; The roof, trust me its curved that's why I drew the lines curved shape.
Blue; The outline of the window where the plexiglass lived. The edges are man made and metallic.
Yellow; A seat inside
Black; The RDF 'coral outcrop'
Richie can you help and get loads of images of this area? This looks significant

[richie conroy]

right this still is of area above left of were u think antenna is

notice how its curled either side to go round say an engine ?

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

right this still is of area above left of were u think antenna is

notice how its curled either side to go round say an engine ?

I think that was the possible nosecone 'coral outcrop' and, bearing in mind what we have found in the last day or two it's in the right area to be just that

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

There's a lot of junk on top of the cockpit 'coral outcrop' and some of that looks suspicious as well. I will see if I can get a better handle on whatever that is. No wonder the RDF antenna 'coral outcrop' was torn off.

[richie conroy]

this "still" is of under were the antenna is its a bit too well shaped dont ye think  :)

[John Joseph Barrett]

Jeff/Richie,  FINALLY. I have finally been able to "see" something before either of you had to point it out to me. Maybe I am developing an eye for this. Either that or my wishful thinking is in overdrive. I hadn't noticed the "window opening" in response to Jeff's query, but I did notice the panel which I believe is the roof. My question to you both is, in the absense of a reliable scale to determine size/distance, couldn't you do a comparison between distances you see in the still ("window opening", "RDF" size and "mount" location) to what we know from the electra. Nothing to prove scientifically, but I think there is enough to say "hey, this is right" "this is right where it should be if..."  I think this may be the prize. Keep up the good work.  LTM -John

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

this "still" is of under were the antenna is its a bit too well shaped dont ye think  :)

Yes that's the same bit I posted but a few seconds later in the video, very interesting, the other side of the cockpit for sure. The window is just that Richie, well spotted. That gloopy white object, remains of plexiglass? It appears to be stuck on something circular inside the cockpit 'coral outcrop'.

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Jeff/Richie,  FINALLY. I have finally been able to "see" something before either of you had to point it out to me. Maybe I am developing an eye for this. Either that or my wishful thinking is in overdrive. I hadn't noticed the "window opening" in response to Jeff's query, but I did notice the panel which I believe is the roof. My question to you both is, in the absense of a reliable scale to determine size/distance, couldn't you do a comparison between distances you see in the still ("window opening", "RDF" size and "mount" location) to what we know from the electra. Nothing to prove scientifically, but I think there is enough to say "hey, this is right" "this is right where it should be if..."  I think this may be the prize. Keep up the good work.  LTM -John

Scale is a huge problem down there. We don't know is the only answer I can give you, at the moment. All we can do id identfy POSSIBLE bits of aircraft wreckage and, like jigsaw, put them together in a 'logical' sequence of events (another term for guesswork). All I know is it's aircraft wreckage, now, what aircraft and whose was it?
Jeff

[richie conroy]

i do actually know a way we could match scale u will av to give me a day or 2 to do it

as i will have to find a picture of the electra, at same camera distance an, in photoshop it has a transparency tool so i could use it to layer it on too electra window an see if can match it up 

[richie conroy]

an no jeff, as the camera drops from ur pic it shows the depth in my pic, also the camera moves left an back so u see it better

am trying to stitch the pic's together now useing photomerge wat gives it a panoramic view

bare with me  :-\

[richie conroy]

does anyone know what membership level, i would av to get to be able to get rest of rov video, as it dont say in membership part  :(

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

i do actually know a way we could match scale u will av to give me a day or 2 to do it

as i will have to find a picture of the electra, at same camera distance an, in photoshop it has a transparency tool so i could use it to layer it on too electra window an see if can match it up

At this stage Richie it's still an aeroplane. We have to determine what type first so, if you can match parts for sure to an Electra then, perhaps another thread in the Forum is needed. Brilliant work so far Richie.
Jeff

[Tom Swearengen]

I bet Ric and pat do---
Tom

[richie conroy]

jeff last week i was thinking about best an quickest way to identify if it was electra or not so have been doing some work

which took me too studying the nessie photo

but due to pictue quality its hard to do,

but by useing a sharping tool its starting to come together an looks more like that thing that was on top ov electra behind the hatch what was in a v shape an had 2 wires comeing off it,

in the nessie photo wen image is best focused an shadows enhanced there appears to be a dark line from right hand side ov nessie object going down into water

may not be anythink but will post a pic soon  :)