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Gary LaPook

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #240 on: February 25, 2012, 10:51:09 AM »

  She could transmit on 500, 3105 and 6210.
But Itasca could only take bearings on her 500 kcs frequency and without the long wire antenna she could not send much of a signal on that frequency but she should have given it a try.

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Irvine John Donald

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #241 on: February 25, 2012, 12:28:30 PM »

Sorry Gary

I realize now which question you were answering. I didn't think there was but wanted to make sure.  She asked Itasca to take a bearing on her but never mentioned to anyone that she thought her RDF may br broken. Or did she think it WAS broken. Didn't it get reported that she thought the Lae station was just too close?  As you flyers all point out, it would be madness to take off on a long over water flight "knowing" your RDF is broken. Especially whe it was such an integral part of the flight at the end.  She may have tried to test with Lae when she first took off but I believe it was reported they didn't hear her for 4 hours.

Did she believe her RDF was broken?
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John Ousterhout

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #242 on: February 25, 2012, 12:53:55 PM »

See http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Worldflight/finalflight3.html :
"1930GMT: "KHAQQ calling Itasca we received your signals but unable to get a minimum. Please take bearing on us and answer 3105 with voice." Another radioman reports this message as: "Amelia on again at 0800 [local time] says hears us on 7.5 megs go ahead on 7500 again." "

Note that all 7500 kcs transmissions from Itasca were in Morse code, which AE could not readily understand.  Itasca also transmitted on 3105 kcs, but AE could only listen on one frequency at a time.
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Gary LaPook

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #243 on: February 25, 2012, 09:25:31 PM »

See http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Worldflight/finalflight3.html :
"1930GMT: "KHAQQ calling Itasca we received your signals but unable to get a minimum. Please take bearing on us and answer 3105 with voice." Another radioman reports this message as: "Amelia on again at 0800 [local time] says hears us on 7.5 megs go ahead on 7500 again." "

Note that all 7500 kcs transmissions from Itasca were in Morse code, which AE could not readily understand.  Itasca also transmitted on 3105 kcs, but AE could only listen on one frequency at a time.
But there was nothing they had to understand being transmitted in Morse code on 7500 kcs because all they were sending was "A's."

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #244 on: February 25, 2012, 10:09:53 PM »

come across these on purdue so thought i wud post them



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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #245 on: February 25, 2012, 10:14:07 PM »

there is others aswell but this mentions at bottom amelia an fred re done the maps an charts

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #246 on: February 25, 2012, 10:30:02 PM »

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #247 on: February 25, 2012, 11:16:40 PM »


John O
The 1730 GCT message you referred to is 18 minutes after her 1712 "we must be on you"...etc message and she is just then discovering (or just mentioning) that she couldn't get a minimum?
What in the world was she doing at 200 miles, 100 miles, etc.  The plan was to acquire an RDF signal at 200 miles and ride it in.

So, after flying for 17 and a half hours and calculating that she is near her destination she decides to try her RDF and finds that it didn't work, something she knew the day before she took off.
Shaking my head in disbelief.
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Gary LaPook

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #248 on: February 26, 2012, 01:49:30 AM »

come across these on purdue so thought i wud post them



You have found a draft of Last Flight. This book was based on dispatches sent by Earhart to the New York Herald Tribune from her various stops around the world. These dispatches were edited by Putnam and published after Earhart disappeared. It is interesting that the comment in the book about sending the parachutes back from Darwin is NOT found in the original, contemporaneous,  newspaper story. See attached excerpt from the June 29, 1937 issue of the paper.

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Gary LaPook

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #249 on: February 26, 2012, 02:03:05 AM »

Sorry Gary

I realize now which question you were answering. I didn't think there was but wanted to make sure. She asked Itasca to take a bearing on her but never mentioned to anyone that she thought her RDF may br broken. Or did she think it WAS broken. Didn't it get reported that she thought the Lae station was just too close?  As you flyers all point out, it would be madness to take off on a long over water flight "knowing" your RDF is broken. Especially whe it was such an integral part of the flight at the end.  She may have tried to test with Lae when she first took off but I believe it was reported they didn't hear her for 4 hours.

Did she believe her RDF was broken?
At 1745 Z, at the same time as the 200 mile report, she asked Itasca to take a bearing on her and again at 1815 Z so why do you think she did that? Because she expected to be able to use her RDF at least as far out as 200 miles, it had been used at 600 miles on the flight to Hawaii. So from this request it is obvious that at 1745 Z, at the latest, but probably earlier, she knew that her RDF was not working. So the 200 mile position, if not sooner, was the place to make a slight turn to the left to aim to intercept the LOP to use the normal procedure in this situation. If, while on the way to intercept the LOP, the RDF started working or they got a bearing from Itasca they could turn immediately to head directly towards Howland with very little additional flight time. If they never got radio navigational information they could complete the normal landfall procedure and locate Howland.

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Gary LaPook

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #250 on: February 26, 2012, 03:16:06 AM »

Good points, Gary.  That clunker (by today's standards anyway) in the Electra sucked up a lot of juice to transmit -

If the portable generator could produce enough juice it would probably kill the average guy to run it down in that heat (if on Gardner, for instance).  ;)

LTM -
Her radio needed 780 watts (65 amps at 12 volts) to put out a signal of only 50 watts, a ratio of 15.6 to 1.  My transmitter puts out 100 watts with an input of only 228 watts (19 amps at 12 volts) a ratio of only 2.28 to 1 so Earhart's radio used almost 7 times as much power as mine does per watt of output.

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richie conroy

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #251 on: February 26, 2012, 01:12:09 PM »

come across these on purdue so thought i wud post them



You have found a draft of Last Flight. This book was based on dispatches sent by Earhart to the New York Herald Tribune from her various stops around the world. These dispatches were edited by Putnam and published after Earhart disappeared. It is interesting that the comment in the book about sending the parachutes back from Darwin is NOT found in the original, contemporaneous,  newspaper story. See attached excerpt from the June 29, 1937 issue of the paper.

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NOR does she say she recieved them so we can only speculate

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Gary LaPook

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #252 on: February 26, 2012, 01:57:12 PM »


You have found a draft of Last Flight. This book was based on dispatches sent by Earhart to the New York Herald Tribune from her various stops around the world. These dispatches were edited by Putnam and published after Earhart disappeared. It is interesting that the comment in the book about sending the parachutes back from Darwin is NOT found in the original, contemporaneous,  newspaper story. See attached excerpt from the June 29, 1937 issue of the paper.

gl

NOR does she say she recieved them so we can only speculate

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EXCEPT that we have two contemporaneous newspaper accounts saying that she did receive parachutes at Darwin. So it is not speculation, she is silent on this and the newspapers have positive statements so the newspapers win.

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #253 on: February 26, 2012, 02:20:58 PM »


You have found a draft of Last Flight. This book was based on dispatches sent by Earhart to the New York Herald Tribune from her various stops around the world. These dispatches were edited by Putnam and published after Earhart disappeared. It is interesting that the comment in the book about sending the parachutes back from Darwin is NOT found in the original, contemporaneous,  newspaper story. See attached excerpt from the June 29, 1937 issue of the paper.


gl

NOR does she say she recieved them so we can only speculate

 :)
EXCEPT that we have two contemporaneous newspaper accounts saying that she did receive parachutes at Darwin. So it is not speculation, she is silent on this and the newspapers have positive statements so the newspapers win.

gl

papers sell on breaking news etc leaveing parachutes behind would not be big news so why mention it ?

especially due to price per word sent!!!!
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richie conroy

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Re: Did Earhart carry parachutes on the flight to Howland
« Reply #254 on: February 26, 2012, 02:26:24 PM »

type in ur search engine on internet  lfc an the sun newspaper, an u will understand why i dont believe a word the newspaper's say, they only report what they think will sell papers end off  :(

same as reports in newspaper archives in the earhart search

George Putnam or amelia had no gain from being dishonest in the last flight story, it was probably only later that putnam actully found out they left them at derwin  :)



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