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Ric Gillespie

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Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« on: July 25, 2019, 08:07:11 AM »


On July 23, 2019, National Geographic announced that Bob Ballard, finder of the Titanic, will try to find the Earhart aircraft at Nikumaroro.
Prior to TIGHAR's 2012 expedition, Dr. Ballard described his views on the search for the Earhart plane and wished TIGHAR “fair winds, a following sea, and a little luck” (https://youtu.be/67qlnUXBdrQ). We sincerely wish him the same.
TIGHAR will not be officially participating in the expedition but we have reached an agreement with National Geographic for TIGHAR's assistance in the production of the two-hour television special “Expedition Amelia.” All news about the expedition will come from National Geographic. We will, of course, keep TIGHAR members informed about our continuing Earhart research.

NOTE:  This topic was originally posted on July 24 but mysteriously disappeared overnight.  A similar notice on the TIGHAR homepage also disappeared.  We're investigating.
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Leon R White

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2019, 09:10:45 AM »

Thank you for reposting. I thought I'd dreamt it.
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2019, 09:40:23 AM »

Mystery solved. Nothing nefarious.  Webmaster Marty Moleski was doing maintenance on the website at the same time we were putting up new information. When Marty finished, the website re-booted to the way it was before we put up the Ballard info.
All fixed now.
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Shannon Council

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2019, 12:09:54 AM »

Ric, is any member of TIGHAR going on Ballard's expedition?
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Joy Diane Forster

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2019, 06:07:14 AM »

The National Geographic announcement was a good article (the show preview was a little over dramatic).  Do we know how long Ballard will search?  I may have missed that but don't recall seeing that information in the article.
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2019, 06:39:28 AM »

Ric, is any member of TIGHAR going on Ballard's expedition?

The land team is mostly made up of TIGHAR expedition veterans but they're participating as private citizen volunteers, not as TIGHAR representatives.
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Bill Mangus

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2019, 06:46:16 AM »

I'm posting a link to the MV Nautilus that Ric put up in the thread for the search for the Samoa Clipper.  Although the search has ended, the link is still live and still being periodically updated.

Who knows, maybe it will be active during the search for the Electra, even though Nat'l Geo will likely kill it so as to control the news until their October program. 

Keep it handy on your desktop!

https://nautiluslive.org/

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2019, 06:46:34 AM »

The National Geographic announcement was a good article (the show preview was a little over dramatic).  Do we know how long Ballard will search?  I may have missed that but don't recall seeing that information in the article.

As part of our agreement with Nat Geo, I can't talk about Ballard's plans.  The PR contact at Nat Geo is Molly Mulrain, email Molly.mulrain@natgeo.com. Phone 610-202-6782
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Joy Diane Forster

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2019, 12:31:33 PM »

I'm posting a link to the MV Nautilus that Ric put up in the thread for the search for the Samoa Clipper.  Although the search has ended, the link is still live and still being periodically updated.

Who knows, maybe it will be active during the search for the Electra, even though Nat'l Geo will likely kill it so as to control the news until their October program. 

Keep it handy on your desktop!

https://nautiluslive.org/

According to a brief CNN article, the Nautilus link above will be active during the search for the Electra.   Another, longer article by the Washington Post states that the expedition will last 3 weeks and that National Geographic will announce any significant findings prior to the airing of the special.   

See that article here:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/07/24/this-explorer-found-titanic-his-new-mission-solve-amelia-earharts-disappearance/?utm_term=.b59bb4a15c7f
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Bill Mangus

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2019, 03:22:20 PM »

Unfortunately for us, it looks as if there will be no live feed during the search.

https://nautiluslive.org/blog/2019/07/24/ev-nautilus-joins-expedition-solve-mystery-amelia-earhart%E2%80%99s-disappearance

They say MV Nautilus will be a "closed set" during the search.
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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2019, 02:50:46 AM »

Ric, is any member of TIGHAR going on Ballard's expedition?

The land team is mostly made up of TIGHAR expedition veterans but they're participating as private citizen volunteers, not as TIGHAR representatives.

Credit should be given where credit is due in regards to any significant discoveries during this expedition. Ballard and NG are standing on the shoulders of giants when using TIGHAR's immense collection of Niku research results since 1989, when Ric started this adventure.

Good luck to all involved. Hopefully they find the 'smoking gun' needed for the general public's approval, but more importantly, that they return safely.
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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2019, 11:38:39 AM »

TIGHAR is getting quite a bit of credit for our past research, and I think that NG and Ballard are quite aware of the history and are trying to give credit where credit is due.  For example, take a look at this interview with Allison Fundis, the Director of Operations aboard the R/V Nautilus:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p8bs48pjrNiwZuv8jj2C3whlplsb0Iz5/view

While TIGHAR may not be directly participating in this expedition, TIGHAR is supporting it by making our previous research available.  The goal is to enhance the chances that something diagnostic will be found.

Fingers Crossed!

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Bill Mangus

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2019, 06:42:54 AM »

I agree Andrew and credit is nice but doesn't tell the Tighar story of the last 30 years.  Ric has said, "The story of TIGHAR’s investigation is an epic of Homeric proportions, full of failure and triumph, heartache and jubilation".  I hope this is an integral part of the October show.

I do wish NG would reconsider their decision to "close the set" and not live stream the ROV search.  I understand that their decision is likely based on not wanting to spill the beans too early in order to attract a larger viewing audience in October.  I would argue that the people most likely to watch the live stream are the numerous Tighar members who have donated their time, money and expertise, yourself included, who would also tune in to the program to see how well - or poorly - Tighar is portrayed.  There are probably not many people other than Tighar members and perhaps a few proponents of the other theories, who would be willing to sit in front of their monitor for hours hoping to see (or not see) any bits and pieces that may appear.

I'd argue the live stream, with any off-the-cuff narration that may occur about Tighar, Ric, the expeditions to Niku, other evidence and theories, and artifacts found and analyzed as they "mow the lawn" would only whet the appetite of any casual viewers and make them even more likely to tune-in in October to learn about the whole story.  NG has already said they'll report any important news (finding of aircraft parts?) directly from the expedition, so it is not like putting a live stream up is giving anything away.

My opinion anyway.

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Leon R White

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2019, 09:16:53 PM »

I'd like to see it too, but they have enough pressure without a million eye's on them.  And it would certainly reduce the viewership of the show.  There may also be proprietary or confidential technology or processes that they prefer to be in the background. Ric & co. did the work. If he's ok with it, we probably should be too.  Anyway, I am.  And wishing them every success.
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Ted G Campbell

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2019, 12:26:38 AM »

All,

It is obvious that TIGHAR and its membership are delighted that National Geographic (NG) and Bob Ballard are in the planning stages of launching a search off Niku in hopes of finding A.E.’s plane.

However, I am a little concerned about the way the search and documentation thereof has been presented here on the Forum i.e. no live feed to the TIGHAR members, no TIGHAR representation aboard the search vessels, etc.

We all know that NG is not taking this project on as a solely public service venture i.e. what about future revenue to NG from sponsors, etc.

It seems to me that NG should JOIN TIGHAR in this search in a manner resembling a “joint venture”; For example:
   - accommodate a TIGHAR executive/representative in joining the voyage
        - accommodate the TIGHAR representative in communicating with
          his/her members during the search
        - providing a copy of the final NG presentation to all, then registered,
          TIGHAR members 
in return for the data, artifacts, research and analysis of the hypothesis formulated over the past 30 years.

The reason I have proposed the above is because I believe each TIGHAR member, past and present, have contributed to NG’s interest in this project. These contributions take on many forms e.g. monetary, research in libraries, local newspapers, government archives, etc.

I believe one could almost declare all of these contributions as a “copy right “to the information NG has received and processed in their decision to pursue their search.
 
In closing, I am grateful and excited in seeing what NG comes up with from this search; but, at the same time I believe TIGHAR’s executives/membership/donators/ etc. deserve a presence in this endeavor.

Seek the Legend’s truth and let AE and FN smile down once again on their attempt to change aeronautical’s and its accomplishments.

Ted Campbell
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