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Ric Gillespie

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Re: X16020
« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2016, 10:29:39 AM »

Will keep looking for articles about when Manning joined the crew,....since the windows were installed in January....it has been my understanding that the large lavatory window was installed at Manning's request,..so would his involvement be prior January 1937? Would he have had any input as to it's size, via phone, telegraph, etc , not being there in person while the electra was being modified?

Yeah, I wonder about that too.  There are two questions. 
1.  When was Manning selected to be the navigator for the world flight?
2.  When did he physically join the team in California?

Earhart's decision to bring along a navigator for at least the Pacific portion of the world flight seems to date from her abandonment of her original Hawaii to Tokyo route in favor of Hawaii to Howland to New Guinea.  She only settled on Manning after being turned down by Brad Washburn and her friend Paul Collins (Butler, East to the Dawn, page 366) but it's not clear when those conversations took place.
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Re: X16020
« Reply #106 on: February 26, 2016, 10:44:49 AM »

...The only thing that makes me question the date/location is the way they are dressed.  Is the weather too chilly for this to be LA in February?

Having "grown up" (a relative term ;D) in L.A., they look appropriately dressed for a clear day in February.  It doesn't look like a typical calm Valley frosty morning and with the wind in the photo (see AE's scarf), it doesn't appear as if it was going to be an overly cold day, perhaps only breezy.   I suppose we could look at the Union Terminal weather records (if they are available online) to verify if mornings in February of '37 were temperate enough for suits with vests but I'm thinking AE's long coat may have been put away before noon.

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Re: X16020
« Reply #107 on: February 26, 2016, 12:20:37 PM »

If this website is correct, the mean temperature that day was 59 °F (low of 50 °F and high of 69 °F). Warm for NJ, but chilly by LA standards.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KCQT/1937/2/19/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=&MR=1

The suits, coat, and sweater vests feel appropriate for the more stylish 1930s .. and especially if they have just been flying a non-pressurized airplane several thousand feet up.

An archival copy of the LA Times would likely contain the weather forecast for the day as well.
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Daniel R. Brown

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Re: X16020
« Reply #108 on: February 26, 2016, 12:45:09 PM »

From multiple newspaper articles:

2/18/37 delayed in Cleveland by weather (AE, GP, Bo and Manning).
2/19 in St. Louis.
2/20 forced down in Blackwell, Oklahoma by dust storm. AE arrested for speeding in prank arranged by GP.
2/21 arrived in Burbank.

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Re: X16020
« Reply #109 on: February 26, 2016, 01:13:34 PM »

First mention in the on-line newspaper archives of Manning as navigator for world flight is 1/25/37.

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Jerry Germann

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Re: X16020
« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2016, 01:20:31 PM »

Looks like they did a lot of experimenting with object placement near that window in short order, once Manning was on the scene;
Navigator bench installed,three gauges down to one, and lines fastened to navigators table ( crude table by the way)
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: X16020
« Reply #111 on: February 26, 2016, 01:22:54 PM »

Looks like they did a lot of experimenting with object placement near that window in short order, once Manning was on the scene;
Navigator bench installed,three gauges down to one, and lines fastened to navigators table ( crude table by the way)

Or was it one gauge up to three?
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Jerry Germann

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Re: X16020
« Reply #112 on: February 26, 2016, 01:36:39 PM »

Not sure.....looks like holes in the plywood navigators table where maybe the chronometers were once placed in the three gauge image ( but it is a guess)... the door in the antenna weight photo , it doesn't look lined by fabric ( which is odd because in the Bo photo the door looks lined) , so maybe the three gauge is earlier due to lack of liner, but I can't see the door in the one gauge shot either??
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: X16020
« Reply #113 on: February 26, 2016, 01:44:32 PM »

The one-gauge photo was taken prior to the removal of the Hooven Radio Compass (the base of the Hooven loop is visible on the ceiling in the background). My guess would be that the tend would be toward more instruments, not fewer.
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Re: X16020
« Reply #114 on: February 26, 2016, 01:52:55 PM »

I think I can see the holes in the plywood where the chronometers were once placed in the three gauge view, and agree more is better when it comes to gauges to read and inform,the three gauge image is most likely later....the lack of the door liner in that image( if that is what I am seeing) is puzzling.
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: X16020
« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2016, 02:21:09 PM »

From multiple newspaper articles:

2/18/37 delayed in Cleveland by weather (AE, GP, Bo and Manning).
2/19 in St. Louis.
2/20 forced down in Blackwell, Oklahoma by dust storm. AE arrested for speeding in prank arranged by GP.
2/21 arrived in Burbank.


Hmmmm
Elgen Long (page 60) has them departing Newark for Cleveland on 2/17 in the afternoon and took off early the next morning(no citation).
He has them landing in Blackwell, OK on 2/18 (page 61) due to a prop that wouldn't change pitch. "They were able to take off from Blackwell the next morning, Friday February 19, for the approximately 8-hour flight to Burbank."  The source he cites is Blackwell Sunday Times, February 21, 1937 page 1.
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Re: X16020
« Reply #116 on: March 10, 2016, 09:56:31 AM »

These appear to be the first photos of the completed, or at least airworthy, airplane.  They were taken on July 21, 1936, two days after the airplane was inspected by the Bureau of Air Commerce and three days before the airplane was officially delivered to Earhart. See Master Timeline for 21 July 1936)   The curious thing is the registration number NR16020. At this time the aircraft was authorized only as X16020.
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Daniel R. Brown

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Re: X16020
« Reply #117 on: March 11, 2016, 07:49:09 PM »

Re delivery to Las Vegas, it's interesting that Lockheed test pilot Elmer C. McLeod also delivered two other new Electra 10s, CF-AZY and CF-BAF destined for Canada, to Las Vegas just a few days after he had done the same for X16020. Source: Elmer C. McLeod flight log book #4, 1935 to 1937, page 10 (dmairfie.ipower.com).

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: X16020
« Reply #118 on: March 12, 2016, 06:38:47 AM »

Re delivery to Las Vegas, it's interesting that Lockheed test pilot Elmer C. McLeod also delivered two other new Electra 10s, CF-AZY and CF-BAF destined for Canada, to Las Vegas just a few days after he had done the same for X16020.

Las Vegas delivery seems to have been SOP for Lockheed.  Gotta be a sales tax thing.
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Re: X16020
« Reply #119 on: March 12, 2016, 01:00:06 PM »

The Lockheed purchase order form dated March 20 1936, that Ric attached to his "4,500 miles" post, has a pre-printed line, "California State Sales Tax."  I'd say that confirms Ric's conclusion that there was a Cal sales tax in force at the time, one which was being avoided by the Las Vegas deliveries.  (So far I've not found what the 1936 Calif. sales tax rate was.)
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