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Matt Revington

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Hail Mary
« on: June 25, 2015, 03:43:12 PM »

The update is online and it sounds like the last ditch ROV attempt worked and some images of the anomaly were obtained, can't wait to see some
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Greg Daspit

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 03:58:06 PM »

I got the impression they didn’t get images of a geological feature that could be the anomaly.
They may not have gotten images of what was the sonar anomaly at all. However, even if their attempts to get pictures missed the anomaly, it is possible that there is a debris field around it and that they could have captured something interesting.
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Brad Mackey

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 04:30:50 PM »

It sounds to me like something that is visible looks interesting and doesn't look like a rock, just to simplify a bit.
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George Lam

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 04:31:34 PM »

This line from the report may support either one of your comments above, but not both!

"Some interesting things are visible, and no geological explanation for the anomaly was seen."

So vague.  They either photographed the anomaly and it's worth further investigation, or they missed it completely, but saw other "stuff."

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George Lam

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 04:32:10 PM »

It sounds to me like something that is visible looks interesting and doesn't look like a rock, just to simplify a bit.

Yes, that's what i gathered too
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Harbert William Davenport

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2015, 04:36:37 PM »

Wd someone please copy & paste the reports for June 24 & 25 to somewhere here on the Forum?
Despite repeated attempts, I cannot reach a Week 3 webpage that shows anything later than 6/23.
Many thanks!
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Chris Murphy

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 04:52:22 PM »

The update is online and it sounds like the last ditch ROV attempt worked and some images of the anomaly were obtained, can't wait to see some

Anyone have a link?  I clicked on the link from Facebook and there is no update for June 24th yet.

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Niku8/dailies/niku8dailies3.html

 ???
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Bob Smith

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 04:59:03 PM »

 Just hoping!!!
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Hector M Zapata

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2015, 05:40:03 PM »

The update is online and it sounds like the last ditch ROV attempt worked and some images of the anomaly were obtained, can't wait to see some

Anyone have a link?  I clicked on the link from Facebook and there is no update for June 24th yet.

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Niku8/dailies/niku8dailies3.html

 ???
click on week 1 and then click week 3, link to week 3 from week 2 page is not working. ???
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Harbert William Davenport

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 05:49:01 PM »

Many thanks, that just worked for me, going first to Week 1, then clicking on Week 3.
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Jon Romig

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 05:53:32 PM »


"Some interesting things are visible, and no geological explanation for the anomaly was seen."

So vague.

Maybe I am reading too much into this, but the vagueness of this quote is in my mind extraordinary, given the circumstances and the degree of interest in, and supreme importance of, this single line of text amongst all Tighar's writings over the last three years.

Speculations:
1. They really saw something significant, nearly a smoking gun. They want to analyze and perhaps process the photos before holding a press conference, perhaps timed for the team's arrival back in Hawaii next week.
2. They saw the Electra. Worried about treasure hunters, and in accord with a prior (secret?) agreement with the government of Kirbati, Tighar will not announce anything until the site can be guarded/protected.
2. They saw something unusual and mysterious, but not enough to go with. They want Jeff to look at it after the team's return. It may lead to further questions and possibly another expedition.

Here's hoping for 1 or 2!

Jon
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Jon Romig

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2015, 06:08:29 PM »



"Some interesting things are visible, and no geological explanation for the anomaly was seen."

Let us parse that statement: "No geological explanation for the anomaly was seen."
It doesn't say that they did not see the anomaly. In fact it is pretty clear that they did see it, otherwise they could not have made this statement. So they saw the anomaly and it is not geological. If it is not geological (the only product of nature that one would find there) it is man-made. Then it is either the Electra, or some other wreckage - either an unreported plane that went down off Nikumaroro, part of the Norwich City or an unreported shipwreck.
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2015, 06:24:33 PM »

Wd someone please copy & paste the reports for June 24 & 25 to somewhere here on the Forum?
Despite repeated attempts, I cannot reach a Week 3 webpage that shows anything later than 6/23.
Many thanks!


Dateline: 25 June 2015, 13:00 EDT, at sea.

Land Team

The Nutiran beach, taken in 2007.

On Wednesday Ric took a small group from the Fiji Princess ashore and up to Nutiran to look at the environment they've been working in. By moving slowly and resting frequently, everyone was able to make it there and back without injury. It’s a long way to walk in difficult conditions after five rough days at sea.

Tom King and Lonnie took another group into the Village to see the layout and history there. One person was not able to return under his own power.
 

 
 ROV



The ROV team ran a Hail Mary pass. The attempt to get the framework of the ROV to act as a sled failed. There was one more thing left to try, and they did it.

Every waterproof camera available was tied, physically, onto a powered line, with the HD camera with laser scale at the bottom, pointing down. A further line was added, about 1.5 meters long, with a dive weight on the end. A skiff was positioned carefully over the anomaly (using GPS lat/long), and the camera string was lowered 200 meters. Once at the bottom, the HD camera took shots every five seconds while Ron carefully raised the line a few feet, lowered it again, raised it, lowered it, walking it along.

In all, 432 images were captured. Topography and details are visible in 100 to 150 of them. Some interesting things are visible, and no geological explanation for the anomaly was seen. This is high definition imagery, with a scale included. A “snail trail” can also be generated from internal information on the camera. We look forward to the analysis.

  Departure
 
  By 2 p.m. everyone was aboard except the ROV team, who worked until sunset. Nai’a was underway by 6 p.m. Seas were moderate and expected to remain so for another day or so; but the closer they draw to Fiji the rougher the weather is going to be. We may not be able to get a good satellite link but if possible I will track their progress here.



Dateline: 24 June 2015, 13:00 EDT, Nikumaroro

See Thursday, 25 June; no report due to power outage at TIGHAR headquarters.

Dateline: 23 June 2015, 13:00 EDT, Nikumaroro

Land Team

Yesterday Ric, Gary, Andrew Sanger, and Rodney went back to Nutiran and covered the intersection between the beach and the buka, from the top of the berm to about 50 meters inland, and from the northwest tip down to just past Norwich City. A few manmade objects were found but nothing that could have anything to do with our primary search.

Meanwhile, Lonnie, Mark, and Andrew McKenna walked from the landing channel along the south shore, crossed Baureke Passage, rounded the tip at the Coast Guard station, and ended up at the Seven Site, filming as they went.

The Seven Site is, predictably, a disaster, grown in with scaevola nine to ten feet tall. The ren tree which figured so largely in our work there has fallen over. The camera platform Mark made out of ladders and plywood is a mess; the ladders are there, but the plywood has rotted out. But they got great video.

Lonnie performed an experiment with the inverting eyepiece from Lee’s sextant, and was able to start a fire with it. It wasn’t easy, but it worked. So one piece of speculation is proved in theory, although not, of course, in fact.

They walked back, arriving at the landing just before dark, dead beat but successful.

Today, Gary will take a land team into the old village to re-locate a particular site, a house known as “John Manybarrels” because there were a dozen or two large metal barrels there. We found some interesting things there in the past, and it’s worth trying it again. However, given the condition of the rest of the island, it won’t be too surprising if the house is unfindable or simply gone.
 

ROV

We could not re-locate the fender target. The focus is now on the anomaly.
The motherboard is toast. Apparently a power surge occurring during the course of the repairs killed it. It is now rigged with all the gear and functioning as a sled for instrumentation and cameras. Nai’a can take station over the anomaly and hold with her engine – necessary because the wind has dropped off and will no longer hold her out against the moorings. We should get the coverage we need, although there are variables that can’t be controlled. The dive team will support this work today as their formal mission is finished.
 

Notes:
Fiji Princess arrived at 2 p.m. local time.

This is the last full day of work. By tomorrow lunchtime breakdown will start.



FWIW, I retrieved these from the dailies for Week 3, as a courtesy to you.  You may need to "refresh your browser" in order to see this material for yourself.
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George Lam

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2015, 06:30:05 PM »



"Some interesting things are visible, and no geological explanation for the anomaly was seen."

Let us parse that statement: "No geological explanation for the anomaly was seen."
It doesn't say that they did not see the anomaly. In fact it is pretty clear that they did see it, otherwise they could not have made this statement. So they saw the anomaly and it is not geological. If it is not geological (the only product of nature that one would find there) it is man-made. Then it is either the Electra, or some other wreckage - either an unreported plane that went down off Nikumaroro, part of the Norwich City or an unreported shipwreck.

As much as I don't like to speculate until we get more details, that is a reasonable assessment.  However whether or not they saw the object of interest in the 2012 sonar image is not clearly stated, so I would label this as "pending."

It may just have been a quick write up as well, without special attention to the wording of the statement.
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Steve Lyle Gunderson

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Re: Hail Mary
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2015, 06:44:18 PM »

The update is online and it sounds like the last ditch ROV attempt worked and some images of the anomaly were obtained, can't wait to see some

Anyone have a link?  I clicked on the link from Facebook and there is no update for June 24th yet.

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Niku8/dailies/niku8dailies3.html

 ???

from the update:
Dateline: 24 June 2015, 13:00 EDT, Nikumaroro

See Thursday, 25 June; no report due to power outage at TIGHAR headquarters.
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