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Rafael Krasnodebski

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #240 on: July 25, 2012, 10:51:34 AM »

Ooooh it's exciting .... and I'll have to wait longer than the rest of you, because it'll be the 20th over here when the program goes out  ;) ... Now where did I leave those blood pressure tablets?
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #241 on: July 25, 2012, 10:53:30 AM »

If you find them I think we could all use one or two. :D
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #242 on: July 25, 2012, 11:40:56 AM »

At least it wont be reruns of the Deadlest Catch!
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #243 on: July 25, 2012, 11:52:19 AM »

Riiiiight! ::)
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Bruce Thomas

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #244 on: July 25, 2012, 09:32:06 PM »

It's really sad to see how many in the media are misreporting about the length of time that KoK was on station at Nikumaroro.  It's become quite the mantra of negative reporting.  For instance, a NatGeo article says this:
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TIGHAR's $2.2-million expedition was originally slated to last ten days, but "equipment problems directly attributable to the severity of the underwater environment at Nikumaroro" cut the search time to only five days.

A ten day expedition cut down to "only five days."  Yeah, right. 

It's sad that the reporters crafting such stories cannot read the times in the publicly-accessible daily reports and do the simple arithmetic. 

KoK arrived at the island at 11:30Z on 12 July (Thursday) and immediately began its side beam sonar mapping.  KoK departed the vicinity at 10:00Z on 20 July (Friday) after performing a final side beam sonar mapping on the southern side of Nikumaroro.  That's a stay at Niku of just two hours shy of a full 8 days on location -- a stay significantly longer than the 5 days that the media continues to misreport.

 

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Malcolm McKay

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #245 on: July 25, 2012, 09:49:39 PM »

It's really sad to see how many in the media are misreporting about the length of time that KoK was on station at Nikumaroro.  It's become quite the mantra of negative reporting.  For instance, a NatGeo article says this:
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TIGHAR's $2.2-million expedition was originally slated to last ten days, but "equipment problems directly attributable to the severity of the underwater environment at Nikumaroro" cut the search time to only five days.

A ten day expedition cut down to "only five days."  Yeah, right. 

It's sad that the reporters crafting such stories cannot read the times in the publicly-accessible daily reports and do the simple arithmetic. 

KoK arrived at the island at 11:30Z on 12 July (Thursday) and immediately began its side beam sonar mapping.  KoK departed the vicinity at 10:00Z on 20 July (Friday) after performing a final side beam sonar mapping on the southern side of Nikumaroro.  That's a stay at Niku of just two hours shy of a full 8 days on location -- a stay significantly longer than the 5 days that the media continues to misreport.

Perhaps it might be that after all the hype prior to the trip the media is just reflecting the rather underwhelming results. What didn't help was that rewrite of the original comments on the daily progress site, after leaving the island on the return trip, which did look a bit like someone in PR realised that with a downer like that TIGHAR won't attract any donations at all, so it was decided to make it look a bit more upbeat. We know the whole Earhart/Nikumaroro thing is about 90% spin so I can't see what TIGHAR has to complain about if the truth of the matter leads the media to ignore the spin. We all live in the modern media age and we all know the difference between advertising spin and reality.
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Tom Swearengen

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #246 on: July 26, 2012, 05:12:18 AM »

Damn Malcolm---not only are you a 'archaeologist' but you have ESP, and a chrystal ball as well. You can see the results of the trip before the data has been extracted. If thats the case----give all of us the answers. ---or go about your merry way
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« Reply #247 on: July 26, 2012, 06:27:30 AM »

let me ask you malcolm----would you put your reputation on the line, alot of your own money, lots of time, effort, sweat into a project like this, OR would you rather conjure up a a hoax, spend someone elses millions, just for some TV time, a picture with Sec. Clinton, and some WONDERFUL vacation time in paradise at a luxury resort on Nikumaroro?
 Tell you what-----Lets go to New Brittan---you do the fund raising, and some of your own money, get your picture taken with -------(who;s the young dude in North Korea?), and lets hike to where ever the resort is in New Brittan to look for your wreck for evidence that it actually came from Alpha Centauri.  I'm in----oh---I need a plane ticket too.

Give us a break. have you ever met Ric and Pat? Thought so. I have, as well a alot of members here. If you are going to make a accusation like that-----you might want to tell it to their face and be a man.

Email me for my address to sent the plane ticket--
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #248 on: July 26, 2012, 08:34:02 AM »

Most data and information takes time to analyse, it would be worthless if you did otherwise.
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #249 on: July 26, 2012, 12:40:58 PM »

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We all live in the modern media age and we all know the difference between advertising spin and reality.

...and then there's the kind of spin that certain individuals attempt to advance in support of their own personal "reality," in a seemingly obsessive effort to suck away energy from a legitimate endeavour.

....one kind is designed to build-up in the name of advancing knowledge... the other just an illegitimate muse to try to tear it down...

...and so it goes...
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #250 on: July 26, 2012, 04:11:56 PM »

KoK's deck log for 7/24/2012 describes some unpleasant surface conditions:
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BUCKING STRONG HEAD
WINDS 2O-25 KTS WITH HIGHER GUSTS.  TRYING TO MAKE ETA HONOLULU
 AFTERNOON OF SUNDAY, JULY 29TH.

But of course, today Time Magazine's reporter knows better:
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On Tuesday The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery landed back in Hawaii, empty-handed, after a nearly three-week-long expedition.

Great job, reporter Tim Newcomb.
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richie conroy

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« Reply #251 on: July 26, 2012, 06:21:06 PM »

What can ye say they have to sell news,

 However at least let them get back to shore before releasing a story like that  ???
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Malcolm McKay

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #252 on: July 26, 2012, 09:58:54 PM »

Damn Malcolm---not only are you a 'archaeologist' but you have ESP, and a chrystal ball as well. You can see the results of the trip before the data has been extracted. If thats the case----give all of us the answers. ---or go about your merry way

No Tom - just mildly curious as to why the original diary entry was rewritten with a totally different meaning. When that happens people will ask questions like that, and in fact I think the more that do the better.
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Tom Swearengen

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« Reply #253 on: July 27, 2012, 06:17:31 AM »

That is a good point Malcolm, and I have been curious about that too. Guess I misunderstood what you meant. Appologies. Does seem to me however, that the Dailies I'm seeing are different that what you and others are seeing. Never saw a daily where the seas were rough and the winds high----just that the captain had increased speed. So---I can see where there is room for seeing things alittle differently.
Tom
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Bob Lanz

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #254 on: July 27, 2012, 09:44:34 AM »

That is a good point Malcolm, and I have been curious about that too. Guess I misunderstood what you meant. Appologies. Does seem to me however, that the Dailies I'm seeing are different that what you and others are seeing. Never saw a daily where the seas were rough and the winds high----just that the captain had increased speed. So---I can see where there is room for seeing things a little differently.
Tom

Tom, I think where that came from is on the DAILY REPORT FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 25, 2012

WEATHER: CLOUDY
 WIND: 080 T // 22 KTS// SEA STATE: 5 // SWELL: MIX // 10  FT.
 BAROMETER: 29.85 IN // TEMP: 80 DEG F. COMMENTS: UNDERWAY FOR HONOLULU.  RUNNING ON SCRS #2 AND #3
 SCR #1 OPERATIONAL.   CONTINUING AT 215 SHAFT RPM PORT, 225
 SHAFT RPM STBD.  BUCKING  SEAS AND SWELLS. STILL TRYING TO MAKE
 ETA HONOLULU  AFTERNOON  OF SUNDAY, JULY 29TH. NEED TO MAKE
 GOOD 7.8-7.9 KTS FOR AFTERNOON ARRIVAL. WEATHER IS  FORECAST
 TO IMPROVE SOME OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
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