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richie conroy

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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #210 on: July 21, 2012, 06:26:51 PM »

I was thinking more on the lines of how far it was from surf line ?

If you were captain of vessel that lost that rig if it is from fishing boat, you would have to be suicidal to go so close to reef, Norwich city being the example why

which lead's me to believe it may have been dropped off reef edge at low tide, because it would have floated into or beyond nc wreck if it were from ship far out ?

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Malcolm McKay

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« Reply #211 on: July 21, 2012, 09:06:02 PM »

I was thinking more on the lines of how far it was from surf line ?

If you were captain of vessel that lost that rig if it is from fishing boat, you would have to be suicidal to go so close to reef, Norwich city being the example why

which lead's me to believe it may have been dropped off reef edge at low tide, because it would have floated into or beyond nc wreck if it were from ship far out ?

Didn't need to get close - before they were banned some of these nets were 50 kms long, some countries still use extra long nets. If they snag, the skipper just cuts the line. They are absolute environmental disasters.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_netting

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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #212 on: July 22, 2012, 12:07:05 AM »

What we couldn't work out was how the 'fishing line' managed to get trapped underneath whatever it is and, weave its way through whatever it is. They might have been the unluckiest fishermen in history when whatever it is landed/fell on top of their lines or, they caused a huge underwater landslide which trapped their lines. That'll teach them to trawl a 90 degree seamount, sonar faulty or, just ignored it?
$36,000 rig cut loose (North sea, 2009 prices) no wonder fish is so expensive ;)
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #213 on: July 22, 2012, 07:34:58 AM »

I have a lot of confidence in the fact that, with all the data and video capture there will be a significant outcome to this expedition. The haystack is heading back to Hawaii, it's just a matter of searching it for the elusive needle.

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Randy Conrad

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« Reply #214 on: July 22, 2012, 09:37:50 AM »

Jeff, I'm kind in agreement on what you are saying! What I would like to know, as much as Richie would too, is how big is this net? Plus, was this net capable of retrieving the whole Electra, or parts and pieces of her. You never know! Also, in past expeditions, did the ROV that searched the other side of the island, did they by chance run into any nets or rope over there? Was this net used on the Norwich City and did by chance Amelia and Fred use this to catch fish with. Getting back to the size of the net, and the chance of someone using it to pick up the Electra or pieces of her. At one point, did a fishing boat or maybe the "Japanese" stumble on her.
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Re: NIKU VII
« Reply #215 on: July 22, 2012, 10:46:00 AM »

The net / associated rope just adds one more huge variable to the search - think about what Malcolm has shared. 

Those nets are huge and can turn up anywhere; I think they can also drift well enough to about anywhere.  I don't know much about net construction, but some may have flotation of some sort built in too which could cause drift to be a big factor in what happens once those buggers are free.

Why the variable for the search?  If the wreck was anywhere in the path of such a net, and the net was being moved by other forces such as a ship that hadn't cut it loose yet or a storm, the wreck might be dragged off a shelf, etc.

One thing TIGHAR definitely will bring home from Niku this time is more knowledge that we search in a very tough environment.  If there really is a needle in that haystack, it well may have been moved around.
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #216 on: July 22, 2012, 01:25:42 PM »

It would be interesting to see this net Jeff. It may shed some light on type of fishing and, age of fishing gear. Deep sea fishing is a recent development, 1970's, with the advent of  the technology for long range commercial fishing vessels and fleets. Yes, prehistoric man did deep sea fishing but obviously not with cables/wires/nets etc... Or, 6000 miles from his home.
The flotation devices, if any, will be a good clue as to the type of fishing and, likely origin.
Notice how we already have something to debate from this expedition. Let's hope there will be more 'somethings'.
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #217 on: July 23, 2012, 07:52:56 PM »

There seems to be a lot of unwarranted negativity regarding this expedition and that's before the KOK has even made it back. So, no smoking gun? A bit early to say that given the amount of data and footage that has to be analysed. Despite the problems with the AUV and various other bits of kit they did spend a considerable amount of time on the reef face. This ROV was a step up from the previous one, another plus point in favour of finding something interesting.
All in all a gallant effort that may yet pay off. The hard work begins now.


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Greg Daspit

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« Reply #218 on: July 23, 2012, 09:27:42 PM »

From today's report and press release.
"Due to the limitations of the technology, we were only able to see standard-definition video images during actual search operations. Now that we're examining the recorded high-definition video, we’re already seeing objects we want our forensic imaging specialist, Jeff Glickman, to look at"
That is interesting that they were only looking at standard definition during the search.
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #219 on: July 24, 2012, 05:04:16 AM »

That sounds more promising Gregory. My guess regarding the HD and standard is that it is due to the available bandwidth during real time searching, transmitting from ROV to ship. HD is recorded straight to memory to be analysed later so no restraint on bandwidth.
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« Reply #220 on: July 24, 2012, 08:04:09 AM »

There seems to be a lot of unwarranted negativity regarding this expedition and that's before the KOK has even made it back.

You should read some of the comments on NBCnews.com's article about the search- it saddens (and confuses and angers) me that so many people can be (or choose to pretend to be) so short-sighted and ignorant.  (Big crazy long link, wouldn't paste correctly, sorry.)  Comments like: "A waste of tax-payer money;" "What's the point, she's dead, stop looking;" "That money could have been spent somewhere more useful;" "The plane probably won't even be salvageable, why look for it?"  All I can say is, where's my Tylenol...?

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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #221 on: July 24, 2012, 08:31:59 AM »

Thanks for that news Gus, we in the UK tend to miss out on the American coverage. Having read all the comments yes, there's lots of in-accuracies but, that's to be expected I guess.
The one comment that made most sense regarded the fact that there is a mountain of data and information to analyse before any conclusions can be drawn.
IMHO there is aircraft wreckage on the reef, not readily recognisable as such, yet, but what should we expect to see given the time span and, the conditions down there?
If it had been a shipwreck then I would expect to see big recognisable chunks, but an airframe? Not so sure there would be anything as clear cut as that readily visible.
All IMHO of course
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Rafael Krasnodebski

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« Reply #222 on: July 24, 2012, 10:59:46 AM »

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Jeff Victor Hayden

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« Reply #223 on: July 24, 2012, 11:16:49 AM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18972529

How's this one grab ya?

More doom and gloom before anyone has had the chance to analyse the data Raf.
The glass is either half full or half empty. (depending on whose round it is next)
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Tom Swearengen

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« Reply #224 on: July 24, 2012, 11:51:31 AM »

Well unless KOK has some sort of transporter beam, it hasnt returned yet. She's still at sea. Evidence---well unless Ive been absent from class, I thought the data was being analyzed.
Gee. Sounds like the US media. Hum------Notice discovery has been quite---and they were there
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