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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #390 on: August 12, 2013, 12:02:32 PM »

To the post on Fred passing notes on a bamboo pole to AE as their communication method, while they were flying, that is also my understanding.

I am very tempted to make newcomers pass an entrance exam before we allow them to post on the Forum.

Everybody is welcome to their personal opinions, but not to their personal "facts."

The bamboo pole was used on the first attempt to fly around the world, when there were four souls on board: Earhart, Mantz, Mnning, and Noonan.

On the second world attempt, Fred could sit next to AE whenever he wished.  So far as I know, we have no information on how he may have split his time between the workstation and the cockpit, or whether he used the bamboo pole.  He had options.
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #391 on: August 12, 2013, 01:19:35 PM »

At this time it does not seem particularly significant.

True Manjeet but, sometime in the future it may well become significant, only time will tell. It helps to have new angles and thoughts on particular subjects and theories. Doesn't mean they are proven or true but, you never know. Good input Manjeet!
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #392 on: August 13, 2013, 12:27:45 PM »

Is that what you had in mind when you started this thread?   

Actually, no.  All threads on this forum invite good research and informed speculation that may inspire further research.  Long rambling fact-free fantasies just waste everyone's time.  And if you really want to get in trouble around here keep using expressions like "Chick E Babe," "honey," and referring to a 39 year old woman as "the girl". 
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Stacy Galloway

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #393 on: August 13, 2013, 01:46:46 PM »

So, Ian, you're imagining this woman- who flew the plane and shunned female norms- landed on Niku and proceeded to fan herself and gripe about the heat while sitting in the shade of a coconut tree using freckle cream watching her man do the hunting and gathering? Really? Perhaps she ate bon-bons while loosening her corset and adjusting her skirts. My goodness- why did she even leave the kitchen?

And then she withered away and died because her man didn't bring her any more food... how, ummm, interesting.

I never thought of putting Amelia into a Victorian romance novel. For me, I'll leave her where she is- a forward-thinking woman who lived her dreams.

LTM~ Who doesn't see Amelia in Gone with the Wind,
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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #394 on: August 13, 2013, 01:47:30 PM »

Ditto Ric! 
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Brad Beeching

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #395 on: August 13, 2013, 04:46:18 PM »

Well, Ian... ahhhh... that certainly is an interesting.... ummm.....ahhh... post. As Ric pointed out, and as I said when I originally threw this thread up in the wind, I was hoping that speculation as to what may have happened after the landing would generate some good old fashioned skull sweat. Maybe take folks down avenues they may not have thought of before in trying to identify areas where our intrepid duo may have camped, wandered or searched. Your ahhh.... story is certainly entertaining but do you really think what you posted could have happened? If I may point out a couple of things. Have you ever worked around any machinery designed and built in the last century? Usually, machinery (Cars, toasters, pogo-sticks, Airplanes) tended to be more robust in construction than things you see today. I believe the current theory is that they made a good landing on the reef. I tend to think that they bent the plane somewhat, but I have nothing to prove that , just a gut instinct. If they were injured, I don't believe they could have salvaged the bird to the extent you postulate. So what would they have done Ian? it's 110 f. they are banged up, most probably in shock, the plane is banged up and the radio may work, but you cant even be sure it is doing anything. As for marks in the sand.... Ric told me there is NO sand on Niku, what you see is coral rubble... still wanna run your toezies thru the sand? You have a good imagination, study the information you find here, then just like a detective, put two and two together, look over your post and then revise what you wrote to reflect what you have learned from your study. This was actually meant to be a somewhat serious discussion. Oh, and Ian..... Welcome to the forum

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Stacy Galloway

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #396 on: August 13, 2013, 05:56:15 PM »

So, Ian, you're imagining this woman- who flew the plane and shunned female norms- landed on Niku and proceeded to fan herself and gripe about the heat while sitting in the shade of a coconut tree using freckle cream watching her man do the hunting and gathering? Really? Perhaps she ate bon-bons while loosening her corset and adjusting her skirts. My goodness- why did she even leave the kitchen?

And then she withered away and died because her man didn't bring her any more food... how, ummm, interesting.

I never thought of putting Amelia into a Victorian romance novel. For me, I'll leave her where she is- a forward-thinking woman who lived her dreams.

LTM~ Who doesn't see Amelia in Gone with the Wind,
Stacy

Ric warned him...  ;D

What's the old saw?  Hell hath no fury... and no, whatever all she was, AE was no pushover or wall flower.

Welcome aboard, Stacy, glad to see you posting.

Thank you, Jeff, for the warm welcome :) I do enjoy being part of TIGHAR.

I find Ian's post quite humorous. Where to start? The ham sandwich? Crying about sand in  her shoes? Or perhaps nagging about the distress signal... So much to choose from... And it reads like a romance novel. I was expecting the "she fell passionately into his arms" scene, but alas it wasn't there. Maybe next time :)

And Jeff, I always find your posts quite informative and relevant- thank you for everything you do!

LTM~ Who's wondering where the sand came from,
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #397 on: August 13, 2013, 06:36:21 PM »

To be clear, there's plenty of sand on Niku but not on the beach behind the Bevington Object location.  That's all coral rubble.
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Monty Fowler

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #398 on: August 13, 2013, 08:04:48 PM »

... So much to choose from... And it reads like a romance novel. I was expecting the "she fell passionately into his arms" scene, but alas it wasn't there. Maybe next time :)

Stacy, if your really want to go down that road, there's always I was Amelia Earhart. And no, I didn't read it, I just ... know these things ... *cough*

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Stacy Galloway

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #399 on: August 13, 2013, 09:23:56 PM »

... So much to choose from... And it reads like a romance novel. I was expecting the "she fell passionately into his arms" scene, but alas it wasn't there. Maybe next time :)

Stacy, if your really want to go down that road, there's always I was Amelia Earhart. And no, I didn't read it, I just ... know these things ... *cough*

LTM, who tries to keep straight what he doesn't know,
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That is hilarious :) I'll do that. Surely, there can be a few of us running around. I'd just have to be careful not to come across the *other* Amelia Earhart... It might create some weird time vortex thing and who know where we would all end up :)

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Brano Lacika

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #400 on: August 14, 2013, 03:49:00 AM »

So, Ian, you're imagining this woman- who flew the plane and shunned female norms- landed on Niku and proceeded to fan herself and gripe about the heat while sitting in the shade of a coconut tree using freckle cream watching her man do the hunting and gathering? Really? Perhaps she ate bon-bons while loosening her corset and adjusting her skirts. My goodness- why did she even leave the kitchen?

And then she withered away and died because her man didn't bring her any more food... how, ummm, interesting.

I never thought of putting Amelia into a Victorian romance novel. For me, I'll leave her where she is- a forward-thinking woman who lived her dreams.

LTM~ Who doesn't see Amelia in Gone with the Wind,
Stacy

Ric warned him...  ;D

What's the old saw?  Hell hath no fury... and no, whatever all she was, AE was no pushover or wall flower.

Welcome aboard, Stacy, glad to see you posting.

Thank you, Jeff, for the warm welcome :) I do enjoy being part of TIGHAR.

I find Ian's post quite humorous. Where to start? The ham sandwich? Crying about sand in  her shoes? Or perhaps nagging about the distress signal... So much to choose from... And it reads like a romance novel. I was expecting the "she fell passionately into his arms" scene, but alas it wasn't there. Maybe next time :)

And Jeff, I always find your posts quite informative and relevant- thank you for everything you do!

LTM~ Who's wondering where the sand came from,
Stacy

Humorous? Are you sure? Hm... I still have the problem with English, but if I uderstood it well, that post is a quite offensive towards Amelia. Perhaps it´s only a foreign language misunderstanding, but...
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Victor Russell

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #401 on: August 14, 2013, 07:49:51 AM »


To the post on Fred passing notes on a bamboo pole to AE as their communication method, while they were flying, that is also my understanding.

I am very tempted to make newcomers pass an entrance exam before we allow them to post on the Forum.

Everybody is welcome to their personal opinions, but not to their personal "facts."

The bamboo pole was used on the first attempt to fly around the world, when there were four souls on board: Earhart, Mantz, Mnning, and Noonan.

On the second world attempt, Fred could sit next to AE whenever he wished.  So far as I know, we have no information on how he may have split his time between the workstation and the cockpit, or whether he used the bamboo pole.  He had options.


Marty,

As a relative newcomer who has nevertheless read as much as possible on the forums, Ameliapedia, bulletin archives, etc., I'm curious what syllabus you'd recommend for this hypothetical entrance exam. Short of "read everything on the site", is there a more systematic approach?

As for the bamboo pole question that seems to have provoked this recent consternation, can you point us to where we'd find the relevant info that you think Manjeet should have been aware of? The only entry I can find in the Ameliapedia (http://tighar.org/wiki/Air_Navigation:_State_of_the_Art_in_1937) seems to support his assertion and does not make any distinction between the first and second around-the-world attempts. I'm not saying what you write isn't true, but I can't find any source for that info in the forum archives or the Ameliapedia and you do not provide any citation in your message.

Best,
Victor
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Matt Revington

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #402 on: August 14, 2013, 08:23:50 AM »

On this thread Gary Lapook shows that FN was moving between the cockpit and the back during the dakar leg of the flight

http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,383.msg5083.html#msg5083
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John Balderston

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #403 on: August 14, 2013, 08:28:37 AM »

I'm curious what syllabus you'd recommend for this hypothetical entrance exam. Short of "read everything on the site", is there a more systematic approach?

Hi Victor, one great resource is the book by none other than TIGHAR's executive director Ric Gillespie - "Finding Amelia: The True Story of the Earhart Disappearance" by Ric Gillespie, Naval Institute Press, 2009.  A great read!  The book is available in all bookstores in in TIGHAR's store.  Amazon has a Kindle edition, but it doesn't come with the DVD of source material provided in the paper copy. 

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: After the Landing
« Reply #404 on: August 14, 2013, 08:42:44 AM »

On this thread Gary Lapook shows that FN was moving between the cockpit and the back during the dakar leg of the flight

http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,383.msg5083.html#msg5083

It's simpler than that.  In "Last Flight" Earhart makes frequent references to Fred being with her in the cockpit. For example, she writes about a bag of peanuts they got in Dakar.  "Subsequently as we munched them Fred and I might as well have been in the bleachers of a ball-game back home, instead of in the cockpit of a plane spanning remote deserts."
 
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