News July 9 1937

[Andreas Badertscher]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4-NPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LFUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1675,5918938&dq=gardner+island&hl=en

At the end it's mentioned that post loss radio messages have been received...

[JNev]

Another great read - thanks Andreas!

It really is amazing how well news traveled then.  I guess the correspondents being aboard ship, etc. really got it done.  We know of them from the facts of the ships and records that were made, but it's really cool to read the 'citizen's end' of the effort as given at the time.

LTM -

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4-NPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LFUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1675,5918938&dq=gardner+island&hl=en

At the end it's mentioned that post loss radio messages have been received...

That's very interesting Andreas, the weather in the area during the search was not helping the searchers at all. Was it still bad when they overflew Gardner Island? Enough to hide the plane on the reef?
Jeff

[Irvine John Donald]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4-NPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LFUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1675,5918938&dq=gardner+island&hl=en

At the end it's mentioned that post loss radio messages have been received...

That's very interesting Andreas, the weather in the area during the search was not helping the searchers at all. Was it still bad when they overflew Gardner Island? Enough to hide the plane on the reef?
Jeff

See this photo.  http://tighar.org/wiki/Lt._John_O._Lambrecht#The_Lambrecht_Photo
This is reported in Ameliapedia as taken over Gardiner the day of the search. I don't think a plane could be hidden if it was on land at this time.

[Ric Gillespie]

Was it still bad when they overflew Gardner Island?

The weather was not "bad" during the search.  The weather was typical for that area - scattered cumulus clouds at about 2,000 feet and  occasional widely-scattered rain squalls. No big deal.

[Jeff Victor Hayden]

Was it still bad when they overflew Gardner Island?

The weather was not "bad" during the search.  The weather was typical for that area - scattered cumulus clouds at about 2,000 feet and  occasional widely-scattered rain squalls. No big deal.

You're absolutely right Ric. The Associated Press report doesn't reflect the conditions the same as the Colorado report into the search. Nice to know that weather reports and forecasts for the same place were just as varied then as they are now. Some things never change! According to the BBC weather report today I should be fitting snow shoes to get about today, not one flake! :)

[JNev]

Was it still bad when they overflew Gardner Island?

The weather was not "bad" during the search.  The weather was typical for that area - scattered cumulus clouds at about 2,000 feet and  occasional widely-scattered rain squalls. No big deal.

A picture taken during the over-flight tends to underscore Ric's statement.

You'll find that TIGHAR has, right here on this site and searchable, a wealth of material to help answer many of the questions that occur to us on this stuff - it amounts to one incredibly excellent research library.

LTM -

[Andreas Badertscher]

also intresting....

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=PEosAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yMoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7052,719990&dq=earhart+gardner&hl=en

[Andreas Badertscher]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lSItAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gaQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1506,234730&dq=earhart+gardner&hl=en

Plane carried a machine for making drinking water....

[Ric Gillespie]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lSItAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gaQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1506,234730&dq=earhart+gardner&hl=en

Plane carried a machine for making drinking water....

Don't believe everything you read in the papers - especially about Amelia Earhart.  No source is cited for that information and a machine "to vaporize drinking water from the ocean" is not mentioned elsewhere in the literature.  There was no such machine listed in the Luke Field inventory.  Still, it would be interesting to investigate what was available in 1937.

[Andreas Badertscher]

 :) I was just quoting, not believing...
But you are right about that for sure!

[Erik]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lSItAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gaQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1506,234730&dq=earhart+gardner&hl=en

Plane carried a machine for making drinking water....

Don't believe everything you read in the papers - especially about Amelia Earhart.  No source is cited for that information and a machine "to vaporize drinking water from the ocean" is not mentioned elsewhere in the literature.  There was no such machine listed in the Luke Field inventory.  Still, it would be interesting to investigate what was available in 1937.

Hi Ric/Andreas,

In a July 9th Los Angeles Times newspaper article, Mantz is quoted as saying the 'water condenser' was purposefully left behind in Miami in exchange for a as well as a hand-cranked radio generator.  So we at least know that such a 'machine' was available in 1937.  It looks like the Luke Field inventory is not a perfect one-for-one match for what was on the 2nd flight.

Perhaps AE had the 'water condenser' shipped to Port Darwin in the same manner as the parachutes.  Just no documentation to support it.  Just saying it looks like we can't confirm nor deny the existance of such a water machine.  Nor can we conclusively say that it was or was not on the trip to Howland. 

Here is the link to previous post.  Click HERE.

[Ric Gillespie]

In a July 9th Los Angeles Times newspaper article, Mantz is quoted as saying the 'water condenser' was purposefully left behind in Miami in exchange for a hand-cranked radio generator.

But Mantz wasn't in Miami.  Any information he had about what was aboard the plane when it left Miami must have come second hand later from Putnam or mechanic McKneeley.
This is the first I've heard of Mantz making such a statement. Do you have a link to the Los Angeles Times article?  The question of whether there was a hand-cranked generator aboard the aircraft is an important one.  In a July 5, 1937 New York Herald Tribune article Mantz is quoted as saying, ""She has no hand-crank aboard to generate power."

[Erik]

This is the first I've heard of Mantz making such a statement. Do you have a link to the Los Angeles Times article?

I didn't mean to imply that Mantz was in Miami.  Only that he was qutoed referring to Miami.

Sorry, our posts crossed paths.  The link to the previous post is HERE.  I think the article is copyright only availble for $$$.  No direct link.

From the page that Cynthia sent me:
Los Angeles Times
Friday Morning
9 July 1937
Part I, p. 2
Mantz Continues to Hope for Safety of Aviatrix
... Mantz, who personally supervised much of the technical preparations for the flyer's second attempt to gird the globe by air, disclosed for the first time that the expedition carried no water condenser.  "It ws left behind," he said.  "I learned yesterday that 'A.E.' deposited both the machine that manufactures water out of human breath and her hand-crank generator for the radio somewhere along her route from Miami to New Guinea. ...

[Ric Gillespie]

Mantz Continues to Hope for Safety of Aviatrix
... Mantz, who personally supervised much of the technical preparations for the flyer's second attempt to gird the globe by air, disclosed for the first time that the expedition carried no water condenser.  "It ws left behind," he said.  "I learned yesterday that 'A.E.' deposited both the machine that manufactures water out of human breath and her hand-crank generator for the radio somewhere along her route from Miami to New Guinea. ...

Now THAT makes sense.  No water condenser.  No hand-cranked generator.  Thanks.