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richie conroy

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2012, 08:33:41 AM »

Tim, what do you make of the object circled in the attached pic?

Hi Bob

I have tried to get people to take note on this object for ages.

Here is a picture of your object i managed to get as rover goes to move

I see the jack end of headphones, Weather it was connected an the holder has eroded i don't know ?

Also the apparent squareness of the object your circle is on is worth more investigation

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2012, 08:43:56 AM »

Here is image of above poss radio transmitter debris

I believe the bar could be the strap to hold radio in place

just a possibility

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Tim Mellon

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #77 on: December 23, 2012, 09:02:21 AM »

  So now you agree that is a rope and not your "alleged antenna cable" or control cable for that matter.

No, Bob, it's a cable.

Yes, Bob, it's a transmitter.
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #78 on: December 23, 2012, 11:10:48 AM »

Here is image of above poss radio transmitter debris

I believe the bar could be the strap to hold radio in place

just a possibility

Thanks Richie

Hold down strap and/or grounding strap. Thanks, Richie.
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william patterson

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #79 on: December 23, 2012, 11:37:06 AM »

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IMHO, the threads are too flat and too few for it to be boating rope. And the rings towards each termination mitigate against boating, and for antenna.

Tim, "The threads are too flat"?  They don't look very flat here.  My guess is a rope or line deposited long after the Electra slid down that slope.

Pictures comparing braided hemp (3 strands), typical for the time, and a section of the "alleged" HF antenna cable (only 2 strands). The little valleys between the strands look deeper on the hemp sample, IMHO.

Tim I do not understand your comment "hemp, typical for the time..."
Typical of what time?
Nobody has dated this object.

If you look at common polyester rope,  it looks very similar to this object. It appears silt/ mud or algae has filled in most of the valleys between twists, but on the still pictures the thread angle and spacing appears very similar to common rope, not cable.

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Tim Mellon

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #80 on: December 23, 2012, 12:29:34 PM »

Tim I do not understand your comment "hemp, typical for the time..."
Typical of what time?
Nobody has dated this object.

If you look at common polyester rope,  it looks very similar to this object. It appears silt/ mud or algae has filled in most of the valleys between twists, but on the still pictures the thread angle and spacing appears very similar to common rope, not cable.

The time - 1937.

I don't think polyester rope was available then.

I've never actually seen two-strand rope: please show an example if you can find one.

The line in question does not lie in silt. It lies on top of coral or coral-covered materials. Coral is abraisive, and judging by the channels adjacent to this line, this piece has been subject to much movement against the coral. So, therefore, I don't think there is any mud/silt/algae in any of the cracks.

These are my own opinions. YMMV.
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Bob Lanz

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #81 on: December 23, 2012, 12:43:00 PM »

Tim I do not understand your comment "hemp, typical for the time..."
Typical of what time?
Nobody has dated this object.

If you look at common polyester rope,  it looks very similar to this object. It appears silt/ mud or algae has filled in most of the valleys between twists, but on the still pictures the thread angle and spacing appears very similar to common rope, not cable.

The time - 1937.

I don't think polyester rope was available then.

I've never actually seen two-strand rope: please show an example if you can find one.

The line in question does not lie in silt. It lies on top of coral or coral-covered materials. Coral is abraisive, and judging by the channels adjacent to this line, this piece has been subject to much movement against the coral. So, therefore, I don't think there is any mud/silt/algae in any of the cracks.

These are my own opinions. YMMV.

Now you have.  I report, YOU decide!
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Tim Mellon

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #82 on: December 23, 2012, 12:57:38 PM »

Now you have.  I report, YOU decide!

Totally inapt, Bob: that's double braided polyester.

Now it's your turn to prove that 2-strand single braided hemp existed in 1937.
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william patterson

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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #83 on: December 23, 2012, 01:02:37 PM »

Tim,  you use the logic that Polyester was not created yet
in 1937 to eliminate polyester rope?
What kind of logic is that?

It could be polyester rope from an anchor lost in 1977 for all anyone knows.
The object rope/cable is NOT dated, therefore, whether polyester was made in 1937 is irrelevant.
Your abuse of logic is impressive.
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2012, 01:13:55 PM »

Tim,  you use the logic that Polyester was not created yet
in 1937 to eliminate polyester rope?
What kind of logic is that?

It could be polyester rope from an anchor lost in 1977 for all anyone knows.
The object rope/cable is NOT dated, therefore, whether polyester was made in 1937 is irrelevant.
Your abuse of logic is impressive.

William, please let me repeat in case you didn't read it the first time: the subject "line" runs under the HF transmitter as well as under other debris, therefore it is not possible that it fell into place after the airplane arrived at this location in 1937, IMHO.
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #85 on: December 23, 2012, 01:59:48 PM »

Which is it now, "line" or "cable" as you referred to in your response to me? 

Cable, Bob (just trying to be politically correct). I know of no HF transmitters that are made of coral, though.
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2012, 03:21:07 PM »

Consistent with the relative locations of other Electra parts, two cylindrical objects (like radio tubes) appear in the 2012 view from up the hill, suggesting again the identification of the Western Electric 13C transmitter from under the Navigator's desk area.
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2012, 03:40:30 PM »

Shown in the 2012 HD video is the upper end of the HF antenna cable, which left of the insulator ring splits into two separate lines. This detail is identical to that shown in the 2010 HD video at the bottom of the cable run (picture also attached).
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2012, 05:25:55 PM »

I report, YOU decide!
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Re: Possible Rope video (2012)
« Reply #89 on: December 23, 2012, 05:31:32 PM »

I report, YOU decide!
I've decided you picked the fuzziest picture on purpose. What IS your agenda, Bob?  ::)

(Even Jeff Glickman has left you behind on this one).  ::)

(Have you decided not to prove the hemp, Bob?)  ::)
 
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