Richie----I think Ric and Andrew were at the 'spot' at low tide, and it was close to the reef edge. I'm not sure how far---maybe it in here somewhere. I'm thinking that on roll out, AE may have tried to turn the Electra to the right, towards the beach, and insstead of the wheel/tire assembly 'bouncing' over the crevass, it got stuck in it, tossed Fred around, and caused some structural problems with the gear mount. The tides and wave action of the next few days finished it off. If that theory has any substance, then there is no way the e;ectra towed a raft/ilfeboat to the water.