I am assuming A & F actually landed on Gardner. Then my real interest begins. I have commented previously that Betty's message might be consistent with Fred having sunstroke and/or dehydration. Nobody gave me any input on that on the forum. I speculate that they didn't survive long, 4-5 days maybe. I could certainly be very wrong about that. I plan to see for myself what a castaway could do to survive on an island like Gardner. I have to learn about coconuts, digging for water, puddles in trees, food sources, etc. I intend to go there, probably in 2012 with that NZ boat that was mentioned on forum. Has anybody had any experience with them? They want a CASH deposit, not credit card, makes me a little cautious. I haven't heard of any TIGHAR members eager to do this trip. Are there any? I might like to make this a big trip, visiting also Easter Island (I have been there) also Nan Madol, maybe Tarawa.