Highlights From the Forum November 12 through 18, 2000 |
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1 | Betty hears Earhart? | Ron Bright |
2 | The Navy in the 30s | Bob Brandenburg |
3 | The Colorado Lookout | Herman de Wulf |
4 | Signs of Recent Habitation | Kenton Spading |
5 | Marie Misheard? | Mike Zuschlag |
6 | Minutia re: "habitation" | Dennis McGee |
7 | Batteries? | Dennis McGee |
8 | Gardner Island Store & Australia | Kenton Spading |
9 | Re: Gardner Island Store | Tom King |
10 | A talk with Mr. Monsees | Ric Gillespie |
11 | Re: Gardner Island Store | Tom King |
12 | Re: A talk with Mr. Monsees | Cam Warren |
13 | Silvertone --- Not | Ric Gillespie |
Mike Holt wrote: > I read somewhere
that it was the mid-30s when Annapolis was given In the period before WW2, the education and training environment in the Navy emphasized meticulous execution of orders, with no embellishments based on initiative. The slightest misstep could result in failure to be promoted. The predictable result of this atmosphere was a generation of officers who recoiled from the idea of exercising initiative, preferring to let their superiors take the risks. This situation so alarmed Admiral Earnest J. King, then Commander in Chief of the Atlantic Fleet, that he issued a letter on 21 January 1941, which outlined his philosophy of command. Here are just a few pertinent quotes: The conditions so eloquently described by Admiral King also illustrate the very state of affairs that some on the forum have intuited in their musings about why a more aggressive search of the Phoenix Islands wasn’t carried out, either by the Navy or by the Coast Guard. Bob, #2286 From Ric Fascinating. |
Ric wrote: > "The best indication
of the attitude of the ship’s company, however, Who was the editor of the ship’s newspaper ? If Captain Friedell supervised this or if he was the one who decided on that headline then that was indeed a clear indication that he did not take the search for AE seriously. If somebody of the crew was responsible as an editor he may just have described the situation : "The cruise is off, fellows. Now we’ve got serious work to do." LTM (who always wonders if what the papers say is true) From Ric The editor-in-chief of the Colorado Lookout was Ensign C.S. Foster, Jr. I don’t know if the captain had to approve the headline and content, but it wouldn’t surprise me. The content of the ship’s newspaper leaves little doubt about the attitude toward the cruise and the search. We’ll put it up on the TIGHAR website as a document. |
The Forum recently revisited the issue of what did Lambrecht see? Did he report it to his commander?... and ... Why wasn’t more attention paid to the fact that Lambrecht said he saw "recent signs of habitation" on Gardner? Ric posed some excellent questions related to this. We can only speculate on what was discussed during Lambrecht’s debriefing on July 9th. I offer the following information to the Forum in order to provide some context within which to ponder the Lambrecht question: Why no land search? To answer the Lambrecht question we first need to ask ourselves: could there have been anything on the island that may have looked like "recent signs of habitation"? One answer is.....yes, Earhart and Noonan could have been there. But there are also other possibilities. Lets take a closer look. Reports of various people seeing signs of previous habitation on Gardner/Nikumaroro Island are discussed below. Let’s examine what other visitors saw and what they reported both contemporaneously and during later interviews or correspondence. This is not meant to be an exhaustive list of visitors to the island nor is it meant to exclude what Lambrecht saw as being Earhart related. It is meant to provide the interested reader with a full menu of items from which to draw conclusions about what Lambrecht may have observed on Gardner/Niku and thus speculate as to why a land search was not conducted. Reference number key:
Wrap Up Thoughts: Anecdotes aside, a lot of the information was recorded contemporaneously. I will say up front that Lambrecht could have seen Earhart related habitation. I will also say the I am offering some speculative thoughts here. My goal is to get people thinking about the issue which could lead us to a better hypothesis. We do not know what Lambrecht told his commander and fellow shipmates when Asked "What do you mean by "recent signs of habitation"? However, it is not too hard to imagine that he told them he saw:
We can speculate that Lambrecht told his commander: "We checked out the island as best as we could. Repeated circling and zooming failed to elicit any answering wave. We tried hard to get the attention of anyone who might have been there. We saw no signs of an airplane and, in my opinion, what we saw was not related to the lost fliers." The key words here for the commander were probably "no signs of an airplane." The Colorado was sent to the Phoenix group on the strength of the post-lost signals/bearings. And the commander was told the plane must be on land to broadcast. No airplane, no problem, let’s move on. I am not prepared to fault the commander for this decision. It is much too easy in hindsight and from the comfort of our homes to do that. Lambrecht’s description of what he saw on Gardner and Sydney as "signs of RECENT habitation" may be an attempt to contrast them to the obviously much older "stone" ruins he had just seen at McKean Island. Indeed, in my speculative opinion, his report can easily be interpreted that way. Thus he uses the word "recent." Whatever Lambrecht saw, it obviously was not a smoking camp fire, clothes hung out to dry or footprints in the sand. Clearly, he and in turn his commander, would have acted on that type of evidence. On the other hand, after seeing some old huts or life boats etc.. and getting no response from repeated zooming, it would not be worth the risk to life and limb to put a landing party ashore. Getting a landing party on to and off of the island is a very dangerous affair. There is an additional piece of very speculative evidence that suggests Lambrecht saw but did not mention Arundel’s huts. A Colorado crew member (Ric: can you help me out with the details on this??) took notes as the ship visited the various islands. He had some artistic talent and as such drew pictures to accompanied his notes. For Hull he drew a canoe and people...and of course Lambrecht landed there and was visited by the locals in a canoe. For Gardner he drew a picture of native huts/houses (if I remember right, he drew huts for Sydney as well...Ric??). I hope this discussion sheds more light on the subject. Love To Mother From Ric Kenton, thank you for that excellent compilation and review. The Colorado crew member you mention, Yeoman Wayne Jordan, was an enlisted man who worked for the "Colorado Press" the ship’s onboard news service for the crew. I’ve looked for the file and can’t put my hands on it right now (damn!). As I recall, he drew huts on Hull and he did draw a couple of little huts on Gardner but when I asked him why he couldn’t remember where that information had come from. I can’t recall for sure whether there were huts on Sydney or not. I do remember that I asked him if he worked with or knew the people in the Aviation Section and he said, "No." Gotta locate that file. In addition to the rather fancy Colorado Lookout published at the end of the cruise, there was a daily news sheet distributed to the crew. Earlier this year we were fortunate to receive several original copies of these news sheets from a man who had them from his grandfather, a retired Coast Guardsman. The copies we have cover the dates July 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 11, 1937. Unfortunately, the one day that is missing, July 10, is the issue that described the previous day’s search operations over McKean, Gardner, Carondelet Reef , and Hull (aargh!). I can only speculate that that particular day is missing because it was the most interesting day of the search, with Lambrecht landing in the lagoon at Hull. Excerpts from the news sheet for July 11th provide some hint as to how detailed these onboard news reports were: "The Earhart Search" by Special correspondent to Colorado Press. In digging for Wayne Jordan’s file I also came upon Lambrecht’s written responses to questions from Fred Goerner. Some excerpts from these are also interesting: Goerner asked, "Was any aerial photography of the Phoenix group accomplished during the search?" Lambrecht replied, " None officially. We had no photographic equipment. However, I seem to remember that some of the observers (the guys in the rear seats) had personal cameras and did get some pictures of some of the islands. I do not have any copies." Lambrecht also wrote, "I showed my letter [he’s talking about his article for the Bureau of Aeronautics Newsletter that we call "the Lambrecht report"] to Captain Friedell and upon reading it he said he was going to use it in his official report." In fact, Friedell’s official report directly contradicts Lambrecht’s letter with regard to signs of habitation seen on Gardner. Nowhere in four pages of answers does Lambrecht say anything about seeing "markers" on Gardner. That allegation comes solely from Goerner in a letter to me. In other words, we have to take Goerner’s word for it that Lambrecht ever said it. I’m aware of nothing that indicates that the cache of supplies left behind by the rescuers of the Norwich City survivors was covered by a tarp. It would seem to make sense to do that but is it references somewhere? I have to disagree with your statement that, "Whatever Lambrecht saw, it obviously was not a smoking camp fire, clothes hung out to dry or footprints in the sand. Clearly, he and in turn his commander, would have acted on that type of evidence." That’s a guess based purely upon your own opinion. We don’t know what Lambrecht or Friedell "would have" considered worthy of further investigation. We do know that seeing people on the ground was sufficient to cause Lambrecht to take the risky step of chancing a landing in the lagoon at Hull. The only real clue we have as to what he saw on Gardner is his use of the word "recent." What qualified as "signs of recent habitation"? The only other time he uses that phrase is in describing Sydney Island: "There were signs of recent habitation and small shacks could be seen among the groves of coconut palms, but repeated zooms failed to arouse any answering wave and the planes headed northeast for Phoenix Island ...". (We know that Jones on Hull had recently removed his laborers from Sydney.) It would seem from this that whatever a "sign of recent habitation is to Lambrecht, it is not a hut or small shack. The only other thing we know of that the aerial searchers saw on Sydney were "letters scooped in Sidney [sic] beach spelling dozens Polynesian words including kele fassau molei seen from air ...". (Assoc. Press report filed July 10 from Itasca.) Marks in the beach sand clearly must be "recent" because the next big storm will obliterate them. It would seem, therefore, that what Lambrecht meant by signs of recent habitation in his description of Sydney Island was marks in the beach sand. It is also clear that those marks were not sufficient evidence to prompt a ground search of Sydney. I submit that an excellent case can be made that what Lambrecht saw at Gardner were marks in the beach sand that he attributed to human activity. LTM, |
One approach we could take to trying to understand the content of Betty’s notebook is to focus on the repeated items, the rationale being whoever made the transmission, if they repeat something over the course of 1:45 hours, then it must important to them. Some repeated items make sense in the context of a distress call, whether real or hoax (e.g., calls for help, repeatedly identifying oneself, references to hearing or being heard). Then we have "NY" which is apparently Betty’s abbreviation for "New York City." Jim McClure has suggested that what was actually transmitted was "Norwich City," and it makes sense that AE would repeatedly say this since, other than "help us," clues to their location would be the most important thing to communicate. Then there’s "Marie." A delirious Noonan calling out for his wife Mary? It appears in two places, once in intimate proximity with "NY." Okay, let me first say what a dangerously slippery slope it is to take a line of Betty’s notebook, assume she misheard it, and change it to something consistent with the TIGHAR hypothesis. Now I’m going to do it anyway. What if AE (and/or FN) didn’t think they were on Gardner? What if she thought they were on Birnie, also a Phoenix island but about 190 miles to the east-northeast? "Birnie" sounds an awful lot like "Marie," and this explains its proximity in the notebook to the possible references to "Norwich City" --it’s the part of the transmission where AE says "you’ll find us at85." Birnie is at 3°35’S, 171°33’W. I don’t see those exact numbers in Betty’s notebook, but the one closest to the latitude, the coordinate easiest to determine, is on page 53: "3 30 500 Z" (here I go, assuming Betty misheard again). It appears to be after the now-smoking "309 165," as if it were "Oops, I meant to read this slip of paper." In general, I see a lot of "3"s --22 out of the total of 58 digits on all notebook pages, excluding the times Betty wrote at the top. The binomial probability of getting that many or more of an arbitrary digit if these were randomly generated numbers is about 1 in 6.5 million (fives are not over represented). Whatever numbers were intended, 3s appeared to have figured prominently, possibly due to the sender transmitting the same number repeatedly over the 1:45 hours. It’s been asked, "If this is AE’s distress call, why doesn’t she give her location?" Maybe the answer is, she thought she was. Pushing it too far? Allow me the honor to punch the first set of holes:
M Zuschlag From Ric I can’t fault the logic but I do have a hard time seeing "Birnie" being consistently misheard as "Marie." If we’re going to lose a "B" I prefer to lose the one in "Mary Bea." Also, Betty says that Marie was said by Fred. If Fred is contributing useful information it’s not consistent with the rest of the scene described in the notes. |
Habitation. What a queer word to pop up in the writings of three different authors, Lambrecht, Bevington, and the "Special correspondent to Colorado Press." I assume Lambrecht and Bevington were college graduates so the nuances of the word of habitation (vs. "lived at", "somebody there," "stayed" etc) were clear. As for the "Special correspondent," who knows. However, my limited experience with shipboard newsletters is that a (very!) junior officer (the editor) oversees a small band of enlisted guys to write, lay out and print it. There is nothing to prevent the Special correspondent from also being the editor. The unusual thing is that the newsletter uses nearly the same wording and phraseology as did Lambrecht. Lambrecht said: "Here [Gardner] signs of recent habitation were clearly visible but repeated circling and zooming failed to elicit any answering wave from possible inhabitants and it was finally taken for granted that none were there...." The Special Correspondent said: ""Sydney was the only island (searched on the 10th) which showed any sign of recent habitation and in appearance was much the same as Gardner Island." The difference is in past vs. present tense: "signs of recent habitation" and "sign of recent habitation." The Special Correspondent used his phrase on July 11, 2 days after the overflight of Gardner. When was the Lambrecht report written? If it is dated July 12 or later then it appears the newsletter editor must have talked to Lambrecht for details of his flight prior to Lambrecht writing his report. Not that any of this is a big deal, it is just that the phrase "signs of . . .habitation" keep popping up. It’s starting to get on my nerves. LTM, a former editor From Ric Lambrecht’s article for the BuAer newsletter was dated 16 July 1937. The ship’s news sheet issued on the 12th is, therefore, the earliest occurrence of the use of the term "signs of recent habitation" unless, of course, it also appeared in the news sheet of July 10th (the one we don’t have) in describing what was seen on Gardner. Bevington, by the way, said "signs of previous habitation." |
Harry Poole said: >There were two
sets of Aircraft Storage Batteries located on the How far aft was the auxiliary battery set? Is it far enough aft to keep it dry if water outside is "knee deep"? Harry also said: >Fred and Amelia
may have realized that they could transmit even How does one access the main battery storage area? Is it accessible from the cabin? (I can’t see either of them wading through knee deep water carrying a battery -- one slip, and zzzzzzt!) LTM, who has been
aft herself From Ric I should have corrected Harry’s terminology before but I missed the error. The Lockheed 10 did not have battery "sets". The plane normally came equipped with one battery which was mounted in the belly on the centerline just forward of the main beam. In other words, get out of the pilot’s seat, turn around, go through the doorway into the cabin, stop, look down, the battery is under the floor right there -- except you can’t get to it. To service the battery you go under the airplane, undue a couple of fasteners, and the battery drops down on a tray suspended by a couple of bungee cords. Knee deep water around the airplane would not come anywhere near the main battery. The second battery in NR16020 was mounted along the starboard cabin wall (that’s the right hand side of the airplane Den) opposite the cabin door. Knee deep water around the airplane would not come close to that battery either. Knee deep water in the aft cabin of the airplane, however, would be over the top of that battery (but would still not threaten the main battery, assuming the airplane was in the three point attitude). |
I need some help from our friends in Australia or perhaps someone else who has some time to search either the Web or other sources. One of the files that Ric and I retrieved from the WPHC files in Hanslope Park, England contains an inventory of items in the COOP store on Gardner/Niku for the year ending Dec. 31, 1940 (an inventory done by our famous Mr. Gallagher). The inventory contains a line item for 10 pairs of shoes. I am trying to investigate this as a candidate for the shoes found by TIGHAR in 1991. The inventory for the store was supplied by an Australian company that is listed in the file as: Messrs. On Chong & Co. (Pty) Ltd. I have a couple of questions in regards to this that I hope someone can help me with.
In general, what can we find out about this company and the goods they were supplying to Gardner/Niku Island?? LTM From Ric There may be an easier way to crack this one. Do you really suppose that when the heels wore out on the shoes sold in the Gardner Co-Op Store the island residents could take them down to the Gardner Shoe Repair Shop and get American-made Cat’s Paw replacement heels? Let’s say they could. If we can make the assumption that each of the 10 pairs of shoes listed in the inventory were equal in value, we should be able to get a feel for the wholesale price of a single pair. As I’m sure we all know, there were 20 shillings in a pound and 12 pence in a shilling. The lot was valued at 1 pound, 9 shillings, tuppence or the equivalent of 350 (old) pence. Ergo, each shoe was valued at 35 pence or 2 shillings 11 pence. I’m not sure what the exchange rate was in 1940 but in 1944 (according to my father) a pound was worth about US$5. It looks, therefore, like the wholesale price of a pair of shoes in the Gardner Co-Op store was ballpark .75 cents. Figure a standard 100 percent markup and you have a pair of shoes that sold for about a buck fifty. The shoe we found was judged to have been a woman’s blucher-style oxford with brass shoelace eyelets. I wonder how much a shoe like that sold for in 1940? Going by the published consumer price indexes prices in 1940 were generally 14 percent of what they were in 1983. If we guess that a pair of shoes like that sold for, say, $50 in 1983 then the 1940 price should have been around $7 (but I’d bet shoes tended to be proportionally more expensive then due to modern advances in materials and automation). In any event, $1.50 sounds awfully low and more in keeping with a very basic, cheap shoe intended for "native" laborers rather than the relatively high end shoe whose remains we found. LTM, |
That’s a good argument, Ric, and some ingenious research, though it will still be interesting to see if any of our down under colleagues can track down some more direct data. Another question about the shoes is, why did the store even stock them? Since people in Micronesian villages don’t routinely use shoes even today, why would the store have found it useful to stock them? Knowing this might give us a clue as to what kinds of shoes they were. Could Eric Bevington shed some light on this? LTM (who’s stepping
out) From Ric Good question, and asking Eric is probably a good idea. Thinking back to our own experience and amazement watching our Kiribati Kolleagues stroll around barefoot on the island, I recall that when we needed to work in areas of coral rubble rather than out on the beach or back in the forested areas, they really wanted shoes on. That, of course, presents some problems because their naturally beefy build and years of going barefoot result in feet that are width E to the 10th power. It could be that the shoes at the store were work shoes for the land clearers who worked down at Aukeraime where the going can be pretty tough. In any event, the characteristic width of the Gilbertese foot is another big reason that the rather narrow shoe sole that we found (roughly a B width) is probably not from the store. LTM, |
On July 9, 1937 the NY Herald Tribune reported that Mr. Arthur Monsees, an amateur radio operator in San Francisco had heard what he took to be Amelia Earhart on 6250 Kcs. The message was: The words "SOS", "East", "Howland", and "hurry" also occur in Betty’s notes. The words "can’t hold" occur in the 281 message. Mike Everette did the research and found that there is an Arthur M. Monsees who currently holds HAM callsign W4BK living in St. Petersburg, Florida (of all places). Mike alerted me this morning and I just got off the phone with Mr Monsees. He is 86 years old, has been a ham since 1932, lived in San Francisco in 1937, and heard a transmission that he thought might be Amelia Earhart which he reported to the Coast Guard. Bingo. Unfortunately Mr. Monsees does not have any logs or notes from that period and does not now remember much about the event, but he was able to provide a bit more information than was in the very sketchy 1937 newspaper story. The message was sent twice and it was in code, not voice. I asked him about the quality of the sender’s "fist" and he said that it was not the best but perfectly readable. He didn’t recall what day it was but he thinks that the time of day was probably around 9 p.m. because that’s when he usually was at his radio. He had a homebuilt receiver that was not calibrated very accurately. His recollection is that the signals he heard were not really in the ham bands. I asked if he recalled the frequency and he guessed that it was something like 7500 Kcs. He did say that shortly after he made his report to the Coast Guard he received a letter from a Ham in Los Angeles saying that he had heard the same transmission. He does not recall the man’s name or have the letter. Art Monsees is on line and was eager to visit the TIGHAR website as soon as he learned the reason for my questions. I’ll suggest that he join the forum. What next? I half expect to get a phone call from Paul Mantz. LTM, |
I’ll bet you’re right; I’d thought about their being for use on the reef, and decided that this didn’t make any sense, but yes, in some of the areas of nastier coral rubble shoes would be desirable even for an I Kiribati or Tuvaluan. My wife’s Chuukese "father" when she was doing her dissertation research said that he had "feet like ko" -- "ko" being Chuukese for "cow." As I recall, when he came to Saipan for a negotiating session with the government, he just wore flip-flops; his feet were simply too wide for any available shoe. LTM (whose feet
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Another one of those intriguing messages that initially sound so promising, but fail the acid test. To the best of our cumulative knowledge, AE did NOT have a telegraph key aboard the Electra. Cam Warren From Ric For once I have to agree with you. No key aboard the airplane. Competently sent Morse. And July 8 (if that’s when he heard it) is awfully late. |
We’ve been doing some more research into just what radio Betty was listening to and, despite her mother’s recollection in 1970, I think we can stop worrying about Sears Silvertones. By far the most contemporaneous clue we have is Betty’s 1942 impression that her father-in-law’s radio in Illinois was "just like" the one back home in Florida -- so much so that the homesick bride took a photo of it. We have that photo. That radio is a Zenith and we know that that particular model only came out in 1941 but we should be looking for an earlier Zenith that looked a whole lot like it. Zeniths characteristically had black faces on the dial, as opposed to white on most other manufacturer’s sets. Betty definitely recalls a dark dial. When asked about her mother’s recollection, she laughed and said, "Well, you had to know my mother. If the last radio Dad bought was a Sears then every radio was a Sears." According to Betty, as an employee of the power company, her father was often able to buy new electrical products at a discount before they were available to the general public. They had a "birdcage" refrigerator and a vacuum cleaner before any of their neighbors. Her father was always eager to have the latest technology. So if we find that a good candidate radio model only appeared in, say, 1938 it would not necessarily be disqualified. LTM, |
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