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Ric Gillespie

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2017, 11:43:57 AM »

New revised critique at https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/83_JaluitPhoto/83_JaluitPhoto.html

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William R Warren Jr

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2017, 12:27:44 PM »

It's hard to judge the length of the ship in the photo because we're seeing it an an angle.

I'm going to consult the Oracle of Glickman and ask him if they are the same ship.

I wish I could offer even rudimentary services at this moment, but two posts above yours, there exists a simple plan and elevation model of the Koshu. Without too many concerns about details, a rough 3D model in *ANY* 3D package that allows modeling (and simple light and camera placement) should give you an idea. The effect people are confusing with the ship being shorter between images is called "foreshortening" and the same effect that makes the ship look shorter also confuses upright details and their placement (so a stack or mast may appear further fore or aft when the miscalculation comes from the beam vs length being miscalculated.) Given the rough dimensions in the 2-view above, a boilerplate 3D model will either match the photo or not. If it does, we pursue the evidence to its logical conclusion (was Koshu ever even there, was it afloat in 1940, bla bla science is yawn so boring) BUT: pursuing this dead end to its logical conclusion and nailing all of its other flaws to the whipping post is what science does!.

TIGHAR is good about getting people interested in the science ... relatively speaking. National Geographic is better at it, but they've been pursuing a wider variety of interests for a century or two more, so that's expected. I find the timing of the "ooh, it's misfiled!" photograph -- mid-Niku-IX -- to be cute. I find the sudden overwhelming (if occasionally frustrating for news-starved members) agreement with aforementioned NatGeo to be probably the smartest partnership ever!! (If the bones were Amelia's, then ...)

Then Fred was buried and may still be there. Or vice-versa. Either way, no smoking gun (yet?) BUT nothing yet that says there's no gun. And (sniff sniff) what's that?
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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2017, 12:49:10 PM »

Watched the show!  Didn't find anything other than hearsay and theories.  The pic is interesting, but no way to even know when it was taken and who the people are.  They also left out a fairly important evidence.  I am sure because it doesn't support their hypothesis.  It is documented that Amelia transmitted (strong) that they were on a LOP 157-337 and that they were flying north and south.  She did NOT say we are turning west toward the Gilberts.  Convenient omission of the facts.  Also, not much about ALL the post loss transmissions that were received and tracked by credible facilities and pointed to Gardner....not The Marshalls.  Just one by someone who said she heard her say that were at Mili Atoll.  I doubt it.  Somebody said they saw the plane land (or their Father did), somebody said their mother delivered clean linens to a American women in the prison, someone said they performed medical on them, etc., etc.  I could say that Jimmy Hoffa is buried in my back yard.  So why not believe me!!  I have no proof of that either.  Conveniently no bones, no real pictures, no left behind articles, no anything.   
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2017, 01:15:30 PM »

We have an urgent need for someone who can read Japanese.  Contact me through the Forum or by email at ric@tighar.org

Sorry for sounding mysterious but we need to confirm something before announcing it.
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Randy Jacobson

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2017, 04:24:54 PM »

I do have copies of the Koshu and Kamoi deck logs for July, 1937, but they are in Japanese.  The Kamoi was mentioned in various newpaper articles but it was journeying from the Mariannas to Japan.

I also have a 1951 report that documents the oceanographic water casts, dates, and locations that the Koshu performed during the first half of July, 1937.  Casts were made on July 3-5. Given the last position and assuming 8.6 knots (the average speed between cast locations), the ship would have to have arrived at Jaliut at 0700GMT July 9.  The first official message from the US requesting assistance was on July 11.  The Koshu resumed water casts on July 27, and would have left Jaliut about 1400 GMT July 24.
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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2017, 09:58:43 PM »

Looks like Samantha Adams cracked the case, image from book published in Oct 1935.
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Greg Daspit

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2017, 10:29:47 PM »

Just went though the book after seeing the link on Facebook. Lots of interesting pictures in it. I'm interested what the maps in it indicate as well as an accurate translation for all dates.
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Ted G Campbell

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2017, 02:56:11 AM »

All,

Amazing, how did the History Channel get a picture that they claim was taken in July 1937 + with the same cast and crew that were in a published book dated 1935 - ?

Take the above question out of the History’s Channel presentation and let’s see where one ins up:  The plane on the barge being towed can not be AE’s plane, AE/FN stated presence in the photo is probably not correct (however, they may have taken an earlier Pan Am Clipper flight to the island - highly unlikely), I believe AE was puttsing around the Atlantic at the time , the face likeness of FN (reversed photo) shows he parted his hair on the right side but earlier pictures shows a left side part, etc.

However, the balance of the History Channel’s presentation does, in my mind, bring up an interesting hypothesis, and that is; could both the TIGHAR and the HC theories be correct!  Think about it; a great deal of radio traffic in the area in July 1937 looking for AE, the Japanese listening in and finally the air waves go silent.  The Japanese see an opportunity and they start a search of their own and find AE on Gardner and the plane down slope on the reef, rescue both but by the time they get back to Japanese territory AE dies and a cover up begins.  Plus, in 1937 early plans by the Japanese were being developed for WWII and the AE issue became an insignificant matter.  There is no way of proving this but it is a great mind bender!

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2017, 03:58:16 AM »

Well done!
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2017, 09:27:29 AM »

A quick reminder to the many folks who have recently registered for the Forum:
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2017, 09:38:57 AM »

the plane on the barge being towed can not be AE’s plane, AE/FN stated presence in the photo is probably not correct (however, they may have taken an earlier Pan Am Clipper flight to the island - highly unlikely),

More than unlikley.  There were no Clipper flights to the Marshalls.

I believe AE was puttsing around the Atlantic at the time ,

In 1935 she was flying from Hawaii to California and from Los Angles to mexico City, then to New jersey.

the face likeness of FN (reversed photo) shows he parted his hair on the right side but earlier pictures shows a left side part, etc.

Fred always parted his hair on the left.

However, the balance of the History Channel’s presentation does, in my mind, bring up an interesting hypothesis, and that is; could both the TIGHAR and the HC theories be correct!  Think about it; a great deal of radio traffic in the area in July 1937 looking for AE, the Japanese listening in and finally the air waves go silent.  The Japanese see an opportunity and they start a search of their own and find AE on Gardner and the plane down slope on the reef, rescue both but by the time they get back to Japanese territory AE dies and a cover up begins.

There is no evidence that anything like that happened.  If it did, who was the castaway?

  Plus, in 1937 early plans by the Japanese were being developed for WWII and the AE issue became an insignificant matter.

Japan was not planning WWII in 1937.
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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2017, 09:40:04 AM »

Hot off the presses:
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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2017, 12:16:23 PM »


Japan was not planning WWII in 1937.


Japan was signing treaties with germany as early as 1936 and was at war in china in 1937... the Rape of Nanking was towards the end of 1937... planning all out war with multiple parties probably not, but they were definitely looking to expand their territory in the pacific.
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2017, 12:18:22 PM »

planning all out war with multiple parties probably not, but they were definitely looking to expand their territory in the pacific.

Agreed, but the last thing they wanted at that time was war with the United States.
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Re: New show on history channel about Amelia Earhart
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2017, 04:21:14 PM »

National Geographic has a report this afternoon on the news of the photograph having been in existence for at least 2 years before Earhart and Noonan's disappearance.

The facial-recognition analyst seen in the History Channel program, quoted in that NatGeo report, seems to dance around the news about the real origin of the photo from 1935:
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"I don't know what to say," says Kent Gibson, the facial-recognition expert that the History Channel hired to analyze the photograph for Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence. "I don't have an explanation for why [the photograph] would show up two years early."

In the documentary, Gibson said that based on the facial and body proportions of the two Caucasians, he said it was "very likely" that the photograph contained Earhart and Noonan.

In a phone interview with National Geographic, Gibson added that since the documentary filmed, he has acquired new facial-recognition software that signals a match between the photograph's Caucasian man and Fred Noonan. His previous software had indicated that there were too few pixels in the photograph to successfully perform the analysis. (In a follow-up email, Gibson declined additional comment.)

Newsweek's story about the find of the book containing the photograph ended with a paragraph reporting on the History Channel's response to the surprising find:
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After Tuesday’s break in the case, the History Channel told NPR it was “exploring the latest developments” about Earhart, noting that “ultimately, historical accuracy is most important to us and our viewers.”
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