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Jeff Victor Hayden

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #285 on: May 01, 2014, 05:24:25 AM »

Quite a good documentary on YouTube regarding MH 370...

The Disappearance Of Flight MH370: 14 Days That Gripped The World

http://youtu.be/Hqkq1F10i4U

Cyber-hijacking????
That's a new one on me.


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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #286 on: May 01, 2014, 09:05:22 AM »

I find it interesting that the Georesonance site is being dismissed by the search authorities, not because the technology is bogus, but because the site is so far from the previously proclaimed search area.
We here can choose between two technologies that none of us really understand - the voodoo of doppler analysis or the juju of resonance imaging. 
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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #287 on: May 01, 2014, 11:14:21 AM »

The technology page on their web site is "under construction" ...

Not a big confidence builder.
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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #288 on: May 01, 2014, 11:45:14 AM »

I find it interesting that the Georesonance site is being dismissed by the search authorities, not because the technology is bogus, but because the site is so far from the previously proclaimed search area.
We here can choose between two technologies that none of us really understand - the voodoo of doppler analysis or the juju of resonance imaging.

...where is that voodoo, that you do, so well...

Now where're my ju-ju beads...

But the point of dismissal may be the more telling - once corporate (meaning collective) direction is established, look out.
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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #289 on: May 01, 2014, 12:36:51 PM »

But the point of dismissal may be the more telling - once corporate (meaning collective) direction is established, look out.

"Although unfortunately the fate of the missing flyers remains a mystery, it is considered that the search made was efficient and that the areas covered were the most probable ones based on the facts and information available.

leigh Noyes
Captain, U.S. Navy
Commanding, U.S.S. Lexington"
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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #290 on: May 01, 2014, 12:56:23 PM »

But the point of dismissal may be the more telling - once corporate (meaning collective) direction is established, look out.

"Although unfortunately the fate of the missing flyers remains a mystery, it is considered that the search made was efficient and that the areas covered were the most probable ones based on the facts and information available.

leigh Noyes
Captain, U.S. Navy
Commanding, U.S.S. Lexington"

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #291 on: May 02, 2014, 12:35:30 PM »


Here's some terrific commentary from 2011 warning the unwary of the voodoo science behind Georesonance's claims. 
 
http://www.leafandstone.ca/files/Media/Dark_side_geophysics.pdf

...and more current updates;

MH370 - Why Search Teams Ignored Georesonance
http://www.science20.com/the_chatter_box/mh370_why_search_teams_ignored_georesonance-135363

Miles O'Brien slams GeoResonance [on CNN]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Jss23O3pQ


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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #292 on: May 02, 2014, 05:19:09 PM »

...where is that voodoo, that you do, so well...

Now where're my ju-ju beads...

Has anyone checked to see if Julia is on the board of Georesonance? Is this the work of the Eternal Hologram?
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #293 on: May 02, 2014, 10:10:22 PM »

02:15: Malaysian military radar plotted Flight MH370 at a point south of Phuket island in the Strait of Malacca, west of its last known location. Thai military radar logs also confirmed that the plane turned west and then north over the Andaman sea.

In maps accompanying its 1 May report, the Malaysian government revised the time to be 02:22 and put the position further west.

Image courtesy of Hishammuddin Tun Hussein
Dato' Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein is a Malaysian politician currently heading the Minister of Defence & Minister of Transport (Acting) of the Malaysia Government.

Were they trying for Sultan Iskandar Muda International Airport ? Also called Banda Aceh International Airport (Indonesia:Bandara Internasional Banda Aceh) (IATA: BTJ, ICAO: WITT) is the airport located 13,5 kilometres southeast of the capital of Aceh province, Banda Aceh.

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #294 on: May 31, 2014, 07:33:11 PM »

The search area maybe 'adjusted' once the mathematicians have finished with...

"Bayesian inference is a statistical technique that mathematicians use to determine some underlying probability distribution based on an observed distribution. In particular, statisticians use this technique to update the probability of a particular hypothesis as they gather additional evidence."

Plus a plethora of other available data including...

http://www.dca.gov.my/mainpage/MH370%20Data%20Communication%20Logs.pdf

Could take years  :(
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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #295 on: June 03, 2014, 09:25:33 AM »

Alllllllllllllllllllllllllll righty then! We all know something as large as an airliner can't simply vanish into thin air. Unless you subscribe to the alien abduction theory (perhaps they really, really covet the cool new batteries in that aircraft?)

Even if the jumble of letters and numbers in this data does provide information on where to look, it's still going to be a daunting task. Think of looking for a shiny new penny. While suspended 80 feet over a football field. Oh, and it's raining on you, and it's dark. And the grass can be really tall in spots.

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #296 on: June 03, 2014, 12:13:30 PM »

...and the penny gets a bit more tarnished and dull everyday.

Did they say WHICH football field for sure?
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Monty Fowler

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #297 on: June 03, 2014, 06:35:04 PM »

Did they say WHICH football field for sure?

Well, no ... that's where those Bayesian inference guys come in. There's only about 4,742 possible combinations. And once they knock off MH370, we're letting them tackle that last sighting of Elvis at the Burger King.

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Jeff Victor Hayden

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #298 on: June 03, 2014, 07:45:06 PM »

When you compare the search for Malaysia Airlines MH370 to that of Air France Flight AF447 then Montys scenario looks like a walk in the park. The basis for the Air France eventual success was to go back over the previous unsuccessful search attempts and prior information on the crash location area so I suspect that's what they will be doing in the case of Malaysia Airlines MH370 unsuccessful search attempts and what little information they have regarding the crash location area.
We have to remember that the AF447 crash area location was determined on much more information than is available from MH370 so they were able to home in to a much smaller area but even then it still took over 2 years to actually find the wreckage.

"In the case of Air France Flight 447, the underlying distribution was the probability of finding the wreckage at a given location. That depended on a number of factors such as the last GPS location transmitted by the plane, how far the aircraft might have travelled after that and also the location of dead bodies found on the surface once their rate of drift in the water had been taken into account.
All of this is what statisticians call the “prior.” It gives a certain probability distribution for the location of the wreckage.
However, a number of searches that relied on this information had failed to find the wreckage. So the question that Stone and co had to answer was how this evidence should be used to modify the probability distribution.
This is what statisticians call the posterior distribution. To calculate it, Stone and co had to take into account the failure of four different searches after the plane went down. The first was the failure to find debris or bodies for six days after the plane went missing in June 2009; then there was the failure of acoustic searches in July 2009 to detect the pings from underwater locator beacons on the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder; next, another search in August 2009 failed to find anything using side-scanning sonar; and finally, there was another unsuccessful search using side-scanning sonar in April and May 2010."

It may take a considerably longer time to find MH370 to say the least but, if they do eventually succeed then the flight recorder data will certainly be eagerly anticipated for sure.

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Re: Malaysian Flight 370
« Reply #299 on: June 04, 2014, 07:51:40 AM »

Notice the dirth of similarities between the AF447 and MH370 loss aftermaths - no floating bodies or debris that could be tied to a wreck in the case of the latter.  It is of course realized that the presumed area of loss was poorly identifiable, at best, in the case of the latter event.

As to MH370, what if it simply isn't there?  Not to kick the 'conspiracy' ant bed open, just sayin'...  ???
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