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richie conroy

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« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2013, 06:31:50 PM »

Agreed

And thank you Ric and Tighar for the way you run the forums  :)
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Tim Mellon

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« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2013, 06:48:26 PM »

Let me be clear.  I let the "camels in the clouds" discussions continue far longer than I otherwise would have out of gratitude for Tim's initial generosity, but it just got weirder and weirder.  When we started to get dismembered bodies, banjos, and rolls of toilet paper reasonable forum members started pointing out that new visitors to the Forum might think that TIGHAR actually endorses such nonsense.  To protect TIGHAR's reputation I shut down the topic, not just for Tim but for everyone.  I, of course, had no idea that Tim would express his anger the way he did, but even if I had had a crystal ball that foretold the consequences of my actions, I would have shut it down nonetheless.  I do not own TIGHAR.  I am merely the custodian and spokesperson for an organization whose researchers and expedition team members have earned the respect of untold thousands of people who genuinely care about finding an answer to the Earhart riddle.  To allow TIGHAR's public forum to become a laughing stock would be to betray everything we stand for.  There is no threat or action that would cause me to do that.

Lawsuit does not mean anger.

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Monty Fowler

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Re: TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund
« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2013, 06:53:43 PM »

Lawsuit does not mean anger.

OK, Mr. Mellon, I'll bite *waves hand enthusiastically*! If you sue someone for a million dollars, if it "does not mean anger," then what emotion does it express? Rehatorically speaking, of course. 

Because personally, if that's how you express affection, I'm wayyyyyyyyyyyyy out of your league.

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Tim Mellon

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« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2013, 07:00:20 PM »

Disagreement is the word that comes to my mind, Monty.

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Irvine John Donald

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« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2013, 07:19:28 PM »

Thanks for the comments Ric.  It can't be easy to moderate every comment and thread but it seems to me that your last post essentially said that if someone sees things in videos or makes a comment that does not conform to what you see then discussion is to be eventually terminated.  This is an oversimplification on my part for the purpose of discussion. 

I know that I have seen contrary reviews here by folks like Mr. Van Asten who went on at very great lengths sometimes and occasionally had his logic shown to be faulty, but that was his way of participating.  If you didn't want to read his responses or threads you could just ignore them.  Ultimately he got banned.  Others have been banished from contributing "in their way".  Yes, sometimes it feels personal I'm sure.  But, read what you wrote. "but it just got weirder and weirder."  It was weird because.... you thought it was.  Did/does Mr.Mellon, whom I disagree with re this lawsuit approach amongst other things, deserve to have his opinion called weird?  Eventually you shut down the thread he was on because of his view. 

Sorry Ric, I know some control must be exercised but should the moderating not be confined to making sure there are no personal attacks, inappropriate materials such as pornography, inappropriate language, etc.  Does an opposing or non conformist view need to be banned?  You have said before in other posts that you let things go on for longer than you really wanted to but why cut it off if people are reading and contributing, for whatever reason they have.  Eventually, if the forum chooses then the thread dries up.  You have lots of threads with no new posts for months. 

It even bothers me to write this post for fear of being banned and that shouldn't be the case.  I didn't post for almost a year because of this subject.

Is this why Mr. Mellon is suing you?  Because you disagree with him and he with you over the moderated forum concept?

 
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Dan Swift

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« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2013, 07:25:15 PM »

Ric, you did the correct thing.  It was getting worse than "wierd".  It was getting down right crazy and purposeless.   The thread was going into the 'abyss'.  No pun intended......sort of. 
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« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2013, 07:31:10 PM »

Disagreement is the word that comes to my mind, Monty.

Well, but we all disagree.  No two people have the exact same opinions.

I admire you and your family's history of philanthropy.  As a fellow "Tim" I ask you to stop this lawsuit.

TIGHAR has a hypothesis and uses scientific methods to pursue that hypothesis. Please do not try to force them to change course based on limited visual data.  There is much more data to be had in the future.

Your contribution last year opened up new avenues for research in the future. I wish I had been in a position to do that last year.  I would be proud of myself today if I had.
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« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2013, 07:38:17 PM »

Without a doubt Mr. Sharpe, Mr Mellon made the expedition and it's new finding possible.  Grateful for that.  When the final answer is found, he would have been one of those responsible for it's success.  Now that will be at least tarnished....to say the least.  That's ashamed.  Of course that is just my opinion. 
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Irvine John Donald

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« Reply #113 on: July 23, 2013, 07:43:35 PM »

Dan,  I happen to disagree with Mr. Mellon's video findings.  I cannot believe that even he sees those items.  Rolls of toilet paper????  But I firmly believe in his right to express that opinion.  In fact if he did not have this forum to express it in then we would not be sharing his thoughts tonight. 
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richie conroy

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Re: TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund
« Reply #114 on: July 23, 2013, 07:48:33 PM »

Irv

But he does believe he see's those thing's, And that is why we are commenting in the TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund,

And not doing constructive thing's like researching all things Amelia

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Tim Sharpe

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« Reply #115 on: July 23, 2013, 07:55:01 PM »

Dan,  I happen to disagree with Mr. Mellon's video findings.  I cannot believe that even he sees those items.  Rolls of toilet paper????  But I firmly believe in his right to express that opinion.  In fact if he did not have this forum to express it in then we would not be sharing his thoughts tonight.

I think that he is genuinely trying to help, otherwise he wouldn't have donated the money and wouldn't still be active in the Forums. Find some common ground with which both sides can be happy and the problem is solved (Don't ask me, though, I don't have a clue at this point).
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Irvine John Donald

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Re: TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund
« Reply #116 on: July 23, 2013, 08:05:50 PM »

Richie,  do you only want to read posts that support the Hypothesis?  I have a hard time seeing some of the items in the underwater videos but I don't ask that the authors be banned or censored.  I believe you need the opposing side to help validate or disprove opinions.
 
Tim Sharpe, I agree that there is likely a common ground here.  It feels like we don't know the whole story.  There is usually an escalation to the point where lawyers come in.  I don't think we saw that.  Mr. Mellon is an educated man who likely doesn't want this suit anymore than Ric.
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richie conroy

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Re: TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund
« Reply #117 on: July 23, 2013, 08:08:13 PM »

Hi Tim

It's Shocking for me because here in the UK, U can't sue someone or group and still participate in general conversation it's just not viable.

Because the accuser could actually use stuff that is said on forums against the defendant in a court of law

You see it all the time with Facebook Twitter etc
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richie conroy

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Re: TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund
« Reply #118 on: July 23, 2013, 08:13:54 PM »

Richie,  do you only want to read posts that support the Hypothesis?  I have a hard time seeing some of the items in the underwater videos but I don't ask that the authors be banned or censored.  I believe you need the opposing side to help validate or disprove opinions.
 
Tim Sharpe, I agree that there is likely a common ground here.  It feels like we don't know the whole story.  There is usually an escalation to the point where lawyers come in.  I don't think we saw that.  Mr. Mellon is an educated man who likely doesn't want this suit anymore than Ric.

Erm

I am probably more accountable than most in respect to the 2010 video and what can be seen, Go to the topic and see for your self

But the difference is, I knew when to stop
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Tim Mellon

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Re: TIGHAR Legal Defense Fund
« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2013, 08:18:24 PM »

Hi Tim

It's Shocking for me because here in the UK, U can't sue someone or group and still participate in general conversation it's just not viable.

Because the accuser could actually use stuff that is said on forums against the defendant in a court of law

You see it all the time with Facebook Twitter etc

Richie, maybe that's one reason why we are no longer a colony.

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