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Amelia Earhart Search Forum => Alternatives to the Niku Hypothesis => Topic started by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on June 22, 2012, 07:09:48 AM

Title: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on June 22, 2012, 07:09:48 AM
From an e-mail received today:

Quote:The popular and widely accepted myth that the disappearance of Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan in the Central Pacific during their ill-fated world flight attempt in July 1937 remains among the 20th century’s greatest mysteries is false, the result of a decades-long U.S. government disinformation program that continues to this day. My second book on the Earhart matter, Amelia Earhart: The Truth at Last, presents many stunning new findings, eyewitness accounts and analysis, and never-before-published revelations from unimpeachable sources including famed U.S. military generals and iconic San Francisco newsman Fred Goerner’s files that reveal the truth about Amelia Earhart's death on Saipan, as well as the sacred-cow status of this matter within the U.S. government. Truth at Last explodes the popular myths that Amelia Earhart’s Electra, NR 16020 crashed and sank in the waters off Howland Island on July 2, 1937, or landed on  the reef of Nikumaroro Island, where the supposedly hapless fliers perished soon thereafter of thirst and/or starvation. Unlike many Earhart treatments, Truth at Last is a serious book, thoroughly researched and documented to stand up to the scrutiny, skepticism and even contempt it will surely attract.

In 1991, having studied the work of Thomas E. Devine, the late author of Eyewitness: The Amelia Earhart Incident (Renaissance House, 1988), Goerner, Paul Briand Jr., Vincent V. Loomis and others, I visited Devine at his West Haven, Connecticut home. When I left, I was certain that Earhart and Noonan had died in Japanese captivity on Saipan, and that the U.S. government is still determined to deny that fact. After fourteen years of correspondence and collaboration with Devine, other Saipan veterans and experts from the innermost circles of Earhart research, With Our Own Eyes: Eyewitnesses to the Final Days of Amelia Earhart was published in 2002 by a small Ohio company, Lucky Press, as some of you  know.

Though poorly marketed, With Our Own Eyes was well received by many within the Earhart research community.  Four years after its publication, armed with many new findings and insights, I began writing Truth at Last, which makes a far more compelling case for the famed aviatrix’s presence and death on Saipan -- a fact that flies directly in the face of accepted establishment doctrine. Because the truth about the fliers' deaths on Saipan is anathema to our government's longstanding political agenda, the establishment will not be forced to recognize this book's existence without the support of people like you, Americans who are sick of being deceived by this government at every turn, and who are unafraid to demand the truth. Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan deserve much better than to have their fates relegated to the dustbin of alleged historical "mysteries," never to see the light of day. Truth at Last might well be their last best chance for historical vindication.

As we approach the 75th anniversary of Amelia Earhart's last flight -- and the government-controlled media's disinformation and misdirection that will certainly accompany it -- I respectfully ask for your kind support of Amelia Earhart: The Truth at Last. The cause is just and the time is getting very late. Truth at Last is available at  www.Amazon.com and www.SunburyPress.com, or through your favorite bookstore upon request. Please forward this letter to anyone who might be interested, and thanks for your time and consideration. Media members interested in reviewing the book should contact Sunbury Press at  publicity@sunburypress.com.  A website, www.earharttruth.com (http://www.earharttruth.com/), will be up soon with more informtion about the book and the Earhart case. I look forward to your comments.

Sincerely,

Mike Campbell

Knoxville, Tenn.

Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: C.W. Herndon on June 22, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
WOW! Mystery solved. I guess we might as well cancel the trip to NIKU next month.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on June 22, 2012, 07:30:44 AM
WOW! Mystery solved. I guess we might as well cancel the trip to NIKU next month.

That is exactly the conclusion that was reached by the fellow who sent the e-mail to TIGHAR.  It's fortunate that the book appeared before Niku VII left port.  It will be expensive to cancel the trip, but not nearly as expensive as completing the expedition.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: C.W. Herndon on June 22, 2012, 07:38:05 AM
I feel sure that Ric will see to it immediately.  LOL

I wonder how much this guy hopes to make off of his book.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Jeff Victor Hayden on June 22, 2012, 08:05:06 AM
Not another conspiracy theory! Kennedy, 9/11, global warming and so on.
Whatever happened to Occam's razor ?

Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on June 22, 2012, 08:20:46 AM
Not another conspiracy theory! Kennedy, 9/11, global warming and so on.
Whatever happened to Occam's razor ?

I believe it is about to be swept away by Malcolm's Razor (http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,742.msg14857.html#msg14857).   :)
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Monty Fowler on June 22, 2012, 10:38:58 AM
"and the government-controlled media's disinformation and misdirection that will certainly accompany it"

This writer's faith in the government to do the type of high-level coordination required to implement such an activity as this, for the prolonged period of time required in order for it to be effective, is quite touching, even endearing ...

I shall now go to bed at night assured that not only did Amelia and Fred die on Saipan, but that the Tooth Fairy makes regular nocturnal visits, Santa Claus has been responsible for everything that appears under the Christmas Tree every year, and that I will find a largeeeeee pot of gold the next time I get to the end of that special rainbow.

LTM, who still writes a wish list every Christmas,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR no. 2189 CER
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Malcolm McKay on June 22, 2012, 06:19:58 PM
I believe I said it once before but I will say it again. I cannot for the life of me understand what would be of such political importance if by some bizarre chance this theory was correct concerning Earhart's disappearance that it should still be concealed by the US government. In 1937 the US was a medium level power, Earhart and Noonan were simply adventurers and the Japanese activities in the mandated territories were well understood - seriously who would care. Still a good conspiracy theory, just like a hyped up unsolved mystery will always sell books.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Gary LaPook on June 22, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
Very good points, Malcolm - I thoroughly agree.

Had the pair somehow blundered into the Japanese in the 'wrong' place (I think highly unlikely) they might have been in trouble somehow out of paranoia, but it's an incredibly long-shot at best as I can understand the whole picture.  They had no reason to be in such areas.  Adventurers is a good description - spies is nonsense I believe, and I believe you gave very good reasons for that.

LTM -
Take a look at the navigation of supposed spy flight scenarios here (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/discussions/flight-planning-aspects-relating-to-a-possible-earhart-s-spy-flight) and here. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/discussions/was-earhart-a-spy)

gl
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on June 22, 2012, 10:12:15 PM
Take a look at the navigation of supposed spy flight scenarios here (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/discussions/flight-planning-aspects-relating-to-a-possible-earhart-s-spy-flight) and here. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/discussions/was-earhart-a-spy)

Superb work, Gary!  I love this line in the first article: "The Japanese also understood navigation. It would be very difficult to convince them of a legitimate need to search near Truk, 1880 miles from the outer limits of her likely position or even to search near Mili, fully 530 miles away."

That's the best Forum laugh I've had in weeks!   :)

Unfortunately, you have labored in vain, since by the use Malcolm's Razor, we find that the Staged Disappearance Hypothesis is absolutely equivalent to Crashed-and-Sank and the Niku Hypothesis, since all three are equally unproven.   ::)
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Gary LaPook on June 23, 2012, 12:25:29 AM


Superb work, Gary!  I love this line in the first article: "The Japanese also understood navigation. It would be very difficult to convince them of a legitimate need to search near Truk, 1880 miles from the outer limits of her likely position or even to search near Mili, fully 530 miles away."

That's the best Forum laugh I've had in weeks!   :)

Unfortunately, you have labored in vain, since by the use Malcolm's Razor, we find that the Staged Disappearance Hypothesis is absolutely equivalent to Crashed-and-Sank and the Niku Hypothesis, since all three are equally unproven.   ::)
Well I hoped that it would be understandable to non navigators, you were my test case ;). At the risk of revealing a long concealed navigator's secret to the uninitiated, "it ain't rocket science," mainly just common sense  with some technicalities thrown in just to keep it interesting

gl
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Chris Owens on June 26, 2012, 07:02:36 PM
Readers are cautioned that many of the websites that carry plans and instructions for fabricating tin-foil hats are deliberate misinformation

http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ (http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/)

Bored graduate students willing to do anything to avoid the gut-wrenching anxiety of finishing the dissertation can be quite creative

Quote
Among a fringe community of paranoids, aluminum helmets serve as the protective measure of choice against invasive radio signals. We investigate the efficacy of three aluminum helmet designs on a sample group of four individuals. Using a $250,000 network analyser, we find that although on average all helmets attenuate invasive radio frequencies in either directions (either emanating from an outside source, or emanating from the cranium of the subject), certain frequencies are in fact greatly amplified. These amplified frequencies coincide with radio bands reserved for government use according to the Federal Communication Commission (FCC). Statistical evidence suggests the use of helmets may in fact enhance the government's invasive abilities. We speculate that the government may in fact have started the helmet craze for this reason.
(http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ali2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Diego Vásquez on June 27, 2012, 12:26:29 AM
Whatever you do, DO NOT REMOVE YOUR AFDB!!  The MIT/Rahimi et al study mentioned above by Chris was debunked long ago and proven beyond any doubt to be a government-funded effort to get sensible paranoids to remove their Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanies (AFDBs), which are the only low-cost, reasonably effective method of combatting government mind control for most of us.  For a thorough, well-documented rebuttal to the MIT/Rahimi paper that would meet even Malcom's excating standards, see: 
MIT/Rahimi Rebuttal (http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=200511112730.afdb_effectiveness)

For more general information on the effectiveness of AFDBs, see also this excellent website for true information unadulterated by government operatives and their misinformation campaigns.
AFDB website (http://zapatopi.net/afdb/)

I know government infiltration when I see it, and I fear that Chris's attempt to resurrect and portray the MIT/Rahimi study as somehow legitimate tells me that this is exactly what has happened to TIGHAR.  I'm afraid I have no suggestions as to what can be done about this infiltration, other than just be careful what you say.  Also, FWIW, the Centurion has never seemed to me to be as effective as the Fez, but YMMV. 


I want to believe,

Diego V.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Andrew M McKenna on June 27, 2012, 12:46:23 AM
Whew, talk about thread drift. 

I was going to remove the last two postings, but since this thread got started with a crackpot theory, I guess they fit with the theme.

I'll let them stand for now as an example of such, however, I'd like to see this not diverge into a discussion of unrelated wacky grad student projects, so lets stay on target if we can, and try to deal with only wacky theories about AE's disappearance.

Thanks, and pass the foil.

AMCK
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on July 04, 2012, 08:09:27 AM
Tom King, TIGHAR's lead archaeologist, has published a review of The Truth at Last on his Amelia Earhart Archaeology (http://ameliaearhartarchaeology.blogspot.com/2012/07/review-of-amelia-earhart-truth-at-last.html) blog.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: C.W. Herndon on July 04, 2012, 08:41:21 AM
Very interesting review. Thanks for the link Marty.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Chris Johnson on July 04, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
I like the last post for June and the what if scenario. 
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: John Hart on July 05, 2012, 02:45:00 PM
I guess this is where I should have posted my thoughts on conspiracy theories where that big bad monstrous thing with two heads called "The Government" is "deceiving" its citizens.  I sure wish the govt I have been a part of for over 30 years were that good at being a monolithic entity accomplishing anything with continuity.

I don't know the name of it but, like Murphy's law, I know it is universal.  "The simplest solution is probably correct, the most complicated is most assuredly not."  Someone else may know who to attribute that to.

JB
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Bruce Thomas on July 05, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
I don't know the name of it but, like Murphy's law, I know it is universal.  "The simplest solution is probably correct, the most complicated is most assuredly not."  Someone else may know who to attribute that to.

And if you read the second item in the FAQs (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/EarhartFAQs.html), John, you'll find that Occam's Razor may be what you're thinking of.  It's not the same thing, but they share some of the same sentiment.  But for sure, your quote is known to one and all as the glorious "KISS Principle".  :D
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Gary LaPook on July 06, 2012, 02:03:30 AM
Everybody should know by now that my main interest is in the navigation of the flight. I have shown before that there is was no way that Earhart was on a spy flight that would have taken her over the Japanese Mandate  (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/discussions/flight-planning-aspects-relating-to-a-possible-earhart-s-spy-flight)Islands and that there was no way that they could be so far off course  (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/discussions/was-earhart-a-spy)to arrive at them accidently.

Campbell has come up with a unique theory to explain how they got to Mili atoll, controlled by the Japanese, a theory that doesn't hold water. He claims that the line directly from Howland to Jaluit in the Marshalls passed directly over Mili. There was a radio station on Jaluit so his theory is that they got the RDF to work and homed on the Jaluit station and the first land they came to was Mili where they landed and were captured. There are some problems with his theory.

First did the radio station on Jaluit broadcast continuously or only after receiving a request? This would require it to be a broadcast station sending out continuous Japanese music, was it? If it required a request to send out homing signals, similar to the request to Itasca, then there was no way for Earhart to make such a request.

Second, a direct line from the vicinity of Howland to Jaluit does not pass over Mili, it passes 58 NM south of Mili.

Third, if they could receive Jaluit then it would make much more sense for them to fly straight west until intercepting the 330° bearing to Jaluit, which passes over Tarawa in the British controlled Gilberts, and then follow that bearing to Tarawa. Any pilot who has flown an ADF instrument approach knows how to intercept a bearing and follow it inbound. Head the plane straight west, 270° true, and take bearings with the RDF. When the null is 60° right of the nose then the bearing to Jaluit would have been 330° (270 + 60 = 330.). Then turn to 330° and follow it and it will take you over Tarawa (called Bairikiri on GE) where she could make her emergency landing there as well as she could on any island without a runway, and she would be in civilization.  Tarawa is only 625 NM from Howland, it is a lot closer than Mili, 765 NM, or Jaluit, 870 NM. And there are a lot more islands to hit in the Gilberts than in the Phoenix's.

I have attached the charts that show the situation.

gl
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Tom Swearengen on July 06, 2012, 04:55:55 AM
Hey Gary---hope all it well. During the final flight, AE was 'reported' to have past over a ship near Nauru, and island in the Gilberts (that I cant quite remember the name or spell !) on her way to Howland. I was thinking that after passing through the Gilbert chain, she encountered the thunderstorm ('cloudy-weather cloudy"). At that point as I plot it, she was basically on course. I surmised that FN directed her to turn south, around the storm for X period of time, fly east for Y period of time to parallel the storm, and Z turn back North after clearing the storm to return to the base course for Howland.
Now, forgetting for a few minutes about the post loss radio signals that 'supposedly' put her in the Phoenix Group, what "IF" FN had her turn North instead of south when they encountered the storm and flew that course. If they never turned back to the east, it might be possible to encounter the Marshalls with fuel on board.
I havent really thought about this alot, and it shows. But see if that make any sense to you.
Tom
 
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Gary LaPook on July 10, 2012, 12:19:03 AM
Hey Gary---hope all it well. During the final flight, AE was 'reported' to have past over a ship near Nauru, and island in the Gilberts (that I cant quite remember the name or spell !) on her way to Howland. I was thinking that after passing through the Gilbert chain, she encountered the thunderstorm ('cloudy-weather cloudy"). At that point as I plot it, she was basically on course. I surmised that FN directed her to turn south, around the storm for X period of time, fly east for Y period of time to parallel the storm, and Z turn back North after clearing the storm to return to the base course for Howland.
Now, forgetting for a few minutes about the post loss radio signals that 'supposedly' put her in the Phoenix Group, what "IF" FN had her turn North instead of south when they encountered the storm and flew that course. If they never turned back to the east, it might be possible to encounter the Marshalls with fuel on board.
I havent really thought about this alot, and it shows. But see if that make any sense to you.
Tom
Either the Ontario or Myrtlebank.

"Cloudy" does not equal thunderstorm, we fly through clouds all the time. I don't recall any actual reports of storms anywhere near the Gilberts, the weather forecast talked about storms 300 miles east or Lae, nowhere near the Gilberts. There was a report that someone reported the plane passing over Tabteuea and the south end of the Gilberts directly on course to Howland. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/trial/gnc-20-8.JPG?attredirects=0) (BTW, it is always "someone reported the plane", there is never any detail, who reported it? when was it reported? to whom was it reported? how was it reported?)

So it doesn't look like they were deviating either north or south of the course line in the vicinity of the Gilberts.

gl

Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on July 10, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
There was a report that someone reported the plane passing over Tabituea and the south end of the Gilberts directly on course to Howland. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/trial/gnc-20-8.JPG?attredirects=0) (BTW, it is always "someone reported the plane", there is never any detail, who reported it? when was it reported? to whom was it reported? how was it reported?)

From the wiki (http://tighar.org/wiki/Tabiteuea):

Ric Gillespie (http://tighar.org/wiki/Ric_Gillespie), Forum, 24 April 2011. (http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,169.msg3577.html#msg3577)

In his letter to Bessie Young of June 4, 1940, Irving Johnson says only that a missionary on Beru told him that he had from a native that "...it was believed that the Earhart plane had flown eastward high up over the island of Taputeouea."  The missionary cautioned that "it was hard to tell whether some ignorant native had actually seen an airplane or wished he had."  Maybe a plane was heard or seen, maybe not, but to say that it was reported "in the same 1° 23´ latitude as Nikunau" is incorrect. 

Tabiteuea is a long skinny atoll stretching from 1° 06 ' in the north to 1° 32' in the south. Johnson's third-hand account says nothing about where on the atoll the plane was supposedly heard or seen.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Tom Swearengen on July 10, 2012, 01:26:10 PM
Marty---thats the Island I couldnt remember, much less spell.
Gary----in fact there was NO mention of a thunderstorm. Clouds yes. I surmised that something like a thinderstorm may have added to the tailwind/headwind issues, and complicated the navigation the Fred was trying to do. Only way i could reconcile them being off course near Howland, when they were on course for most of the flight. IF the position reports of the islanders at Tabiteuea were correct.
Tom
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Gary LaPook on July 10, 2012, 08:09:18 PM
There was a report that someone reported the plane passing over Tabituea and the south end of the Gilberts directly on course to Howland. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/trial/gnc-20-8.JPG?attredirects=0) (BTW, it is always "someone reported the plane", there is never any detail, who reported it? when was it reported? to whom was it reported? how was it reported?)

From the wiki (http://tighar.org/wiki/Tabiteuea):

Ric Gillespie (http://tighar.org/wiki/Ric_Gillespie), Forum, 24 April 2011. (http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,169.msg3577.html#msg3577)

In his letter to Bessie Young of June 4, 1940, Irving Johnson says only that a missionary on Beru told him that he had from a native that "...it was believed that the Earhart plane had flown eastward high up over the island of Taputeouea."  The missionary cautioned that "it was hard to tell whether some ignorant native had actually seen an airplane or wished he had."  Maybe a plane was heard or seen, maybe not, but to say that it was reported "in the same 1° 23´ latitude as Nikunau" is incorrect. 

Tabiteuea is a long skinny atoll stretching from 1° 06 ' in the north to 1° 32' in the south. Johnson's third-hand account says nothing about where on the atoll the plane was supposedly heard or seen.


Where does this come from? There is no island in the Gilberts extending across the equator and an island of these coordinates would be 158 NM long. See this chart. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/trial/gnc-20-8.JPG?attredirects=0)

gl
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on July 10, 2012, 10:19:41 PM

From the wiki (http://tighar.org/wiki/Tabiteuea):

Ric Gillespie (http://tighar.org/wiki/Ric_Gillespie), Forum, 24 April 2011. (http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,169.msg3577.html#msg3577)

Tabiteuea is a long skinny atoll stretching from 1° 06 ' in the north to 1° 32' in the south. Johnson's third-hand account says nothing about where on the atoll the plane was supposedly heard or seen.

Where does this come from? There is no island in the Gilberts extending across the equator and an island of these coordinates would be 158 NM long. See this chart. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/trial/gnc-20-8.JPG?attredirects=0)

The source, as indicated is Ric Gillespie.

I think if you look at   1° 6'23.82"S and 1°32'24.22"S, you'll see that one is at the northern part of the island and the other at the southeastern end.

I don't think Ric meant 1° 6 N and 1° 32 S.

"Tabiteuea is a long skinny atoll stretching from [1° 6'23.82"S] in the north of the atoll to [1°32'24.22"S] at the southern end. Johnson's third-hand account says nothing about where on the atoll the plane was supposedly heard or seen."

See attached from Google Earth.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Gary LaPook on July 11, 2012, 01:17:37 AM

From the wiki (http://tighar.org/wiki/Tabiteuea):

Ric Gillespie (http://tighar.org/wiki/Ric_Gillespie), Forum, 24 April 2011. (http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,169.msg3577.html#msg3577)

Tabiteuea is a long skinny atoll stretching from 1° 06 ' in the north to 1° 32' in the south. Johnson's third-hand account says nothing about where on the atoll the plane was supposedly heard or seen.

Where does this come from? There is no island in the Gilberts extending across the equator and an island of these coordinates would be 158 NM long. See this chart. (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/resources/trial/gnc-20-8.JPG?attredirects=0)

The source, as indicated is Ric Gillespie.

I think if you look at   1° 6'23.82"S and 1°32'24.22"S, you'll see that one is at the northern part of the island and the other at the southeastern end.

I don't think Ric meant 1° 6 N and 1° 32 S.

"Tabiteuea is a long skinny atoll stretching from [1° 6'23.82"S] in the north of the atoll to [1°32'24.22"S] at the southern end. Johnson's third-hand account says nothing about where on the atoll the plane was supposedly heard or seen."

See attached from Google Earth.
O.K., that makes sense, give Ric a spanking for that one.

gl
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on August 25, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Tom King is trying to get a copy of the paper he wrote with Roberts and Cerniglia into the hands of William Duncan, who posted some questions about Truth at Last.

Tom thinks the paper answers some of the questions that Duncan asked.

The article is not yet available on the internet, but it is slated to be published Northern Marianas Islands Council for the Humanities (http://www.nmihumanities.org/) and/or the Guampedia. (http://guampedia.com/)

Please contact Tom directly (tfking106@aol.com) if you would like to request a pre-publication version of the paper.

King, Thomas F., Thomas A. Roberts, and Joseph Cerniglia

"Amelia Earhart in the Marianas: a Consideration of the Evidence."  Paper submitted to the Northern Mariana Islands Council for the Humanities’ Marianas History Conference, Saipan, June 14-16, 2012.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: dave burrell on September 23, 2012, 03:18:10 AM
Tom King is trying to get a copy of the paper he wrote with Roberts and Cerniglia into the hands of William Duncan, who posted some questions about Truth at Last.

Tom thinks the paper answers some of the questions that Duncan asked.

The article is not yet available on the internet, but it is slated to be published Northern Marianas Islands Council for the Humanities (http://www.nmihumanities.org/) and/or the Guampedia. (http://guampedia.com/)

Please contact Tom directly (tfking106@aol.com) if you would like to request a pre-publication version of the paper.

King, Thomas F., Thomas A. Roberts, and Joseph Cerniglia

"Amelia Earhart in the Marianas: a Consideration of the Evidence."  Paper submitted to the Northern Mariana Islands Council for the Humanities’ Marianas History Conference, Saipan, June 14-16, 2012.

The link below does have a least a summary regarding referenced King paper. Or it could be the whole research paper? Hard to tell. Mr.Campbell apparently sent it to the Mariannas Newspaper. From a June message board post from Mr.Campbell, first link is Campbell talking about his theory, King, and Tighar. Second link is the newspaper report on the Research paper.
The King paper seems to be anything but supporting Campbell's theory on Saipan but by Mr.Campbell's comments he feels otherwise. I think. :-\
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AERA/message/2803

http://www.mvariety.com/cnmi/cnmi-news/local/47153-earhart-researchers-discuss-saipan-hypotheses.php

Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on September 23, 2012, 06:51:48 AM
The link below does have a least a summary regarding referenced King paper. Or it could be the whole research paper? Hard to tell.

If you would like to resolve the question, you may contact Tom directly (tfking106@aol.com) to obtain a pre-publication version of the paper.

Then you will be able to compare the paper to the Marianas Variety article (http://www.mvariety.com/cnmi/cnmi-news/local/47153-earhart-researchers-discuss-saipan-hypotheses.php) yourself.

If you're willing to rely on my testimony, it is just a summary, not the whole paper.

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The King paper seems to be anything but supporting Campbell's theory on Saipan ...

That is my impression, too.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Vahe Demirjian on November 18, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
The paper "Amelia Earhart in the Marianas: a Consideration of the Evidence" has now been published --- anyone reading Campbell's new book on AE should not fall into the trap of a supposed government coverup of AE's disappearance.

If Jeff's Glickman's assessment of the debris field found off Nikumaroro north of the Norwich City wreck holds water with Niku VIII, Mike Campbell will leave the research arena in embarrassment so that he can end up suffering bouts of depression, disappointment, and heartbrokenness.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Kent Beuchert on June 15, 2014, 09:54:27 PM
 I think that Campbell's theory has pretty much been shot to hell  the preceding critiques,
which are mostly technical, the best kind. However, one of my biggest problems with these
theories is the way they blithely assume that the Japanese would have made the  two flyers
 prisoners, and then executed them!!   That's quite a claim and one I find totally illogical.
You may be aware that before the war the Japanese air force had inadvertently bombed
an American navy ship in China, killing several American military personnel. The Japanese govt
immediately and profusely apologized and made financial restitution for the victims. I
mention this to illustrate that, in 1937, Japanese/American relations were hardly on a
wartime footing. It would be another 3 years before the Japanese would even become
 a member of the Axis and Japan depended upon U.S. oil, scrap iron and steel, which
she could  not obtain elsewhere. The incident in China put local Japanese commanders
and officials on full notice that they were not to act independently vis a vis American
nationals. So the idea that a local Japanese official or commander would take the obviously
extreme action of executing a world-famous American woman without higher authorization
is totally ridiculous. And it can be assumed with confidence that the higher authority would
eventually have to be  the Emperor Hirohito, and furthermore, that Hirohito would under
no circumstances which I can imagine, have allowed such an execution to take place.
It should seem obvious that the Japanese would return Earhart safely to the Americans
and reap enormous goodwill from the American populace.  The preceding I believe to be
a strong argument against any of the "Japs-capture-execute-Amelia" theories. They
blithely assume the (to me) totally implausible.
Title: Re: Mike Campbell, Truth at Last (Saipan, Government Conspiracy)
Post by: Monty Fowler on June 16, 2014, 06:28:31 AM
It's all part of TECTIC - The Earhart Conspiracy Theory Industrial Complex. But it does provide some diversionary reading.

LTM,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 ECSP