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Amelia Earhart Search Forum => Alternatives to the Niku Hypothesis => Topic started by: Chris Johnson on July 30, 2011, 02:33:55 PM
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Was doing some research on my new hobby "pacific islands" and came accross this twist on an alternative theory
Japanese Zero intercepted Earhart, and shot her down, and she made a crash-landing on the island of Hull. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Orona)
Don't shoot the messenger, just sharing it with you all :)
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Not shoot messenger. Shoot Amelican Rady Frier! Budda,budda, budda ....
Where did the Zero come from? There were no Japanese airfields or aircraft carriers within thousands of miles. Why didn't Jones, the Burns Philp overseer on Hull, report the incident to Lt. John Lambrecht when Lambrecht landed in the lagoon at Hull and talked to Jones on July 9?
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Where did the Zero come from?
It came off the air craft carrier, of course....
From the Wikipedia link
"The Japanese with an aircraft carrier stationed between Canton Island and Hull, and with Japanese Zero intercepted Earhart, and shot her down, and she made a crash-landing on the island of Hull." --98.232.182.66 (talk) 08:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)"
I suppose we could try to correct it, but ....
amck
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In 1937 Japan had three aircraft carriers - Hosho, Akagi, and Kaga. Hosho was obsolete and relegated to training duties. Akagi was in dry dock undergoing a refit that entire year. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Kaga#China_incident), "The renewal of hostilities with China at the Marco Polo Bridge in July 1937 found Kaga in home waters."
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Too bad Joe Gervais didn't use Wikipedia during his "20 years of research"...
amck
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Jeeeezzzz, don't you guys know anything???? Jones didn't tell Lambrecht about the crash because the Japanese had already come and carted off Fred, Amelia and their Electra with their seaplane tender, and made it real clear to Jones that if he said anything to anyone, he'd end up wearing a concrete kimono. What could be clearer than that? ;D
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This stuff is great fun but it's sadly illustrative of the kind of lame-brained nonsense that has historically passed for "Earhart research." And the beat goes on. At the recent Earhart Festival in Atchison we were appalled at the straight-faced idiocy (sorry, there's no other word for it) being peddled by some of the attending "experts." There are, of course, those who would say we are paramount among them.
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Where did the Zero come from? There were no Japanese airfields or aircraft carriers within thousands of miles.
Didn't the Zero not even exist yet in 1937? A quick web search suggests its first flight was in 1939. Reminds me of the claims that Gary Powers' U-2 was knocked down by a MiG-25 even though the MiG-25 wouldn't fly for another 4 years.
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Didn't the Zero not even exist yet in 1937? A quick web search suggests its first flight was in 1939.
That's right. The A6M design first flew in March 1939 (Sunburst - The Rise of Japanese Naval Air Power; 1909-1941, Mark Peattie, Naval Institute press, 2001).
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Exactly but by the time he got new batteries he may have forgotten!!!!
With all the fascinating, extraordinary, ground breaking events happening in and around Orona/Hull Island I can see how a plane getting shot down and crashing on or near the atoll would be an easy event to forget! (tongue firmly implanted in cheek)... ::)
I just had to take that cheapshot at you; you made it so easy! No malice meant, all-in-fun... ;D
That is definately one of the theories I had not heard of, will have to check it out...
Cheers,
LTM,
Don
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Does anybody know if the twin engined airplane at the bottom of Hull/Orona Island has been investigated or identified ? WW2 Huson possibly ? It's basically in the direction of the 157 LOP that Earhart was flying if you're in the Gardner Island "camp", which I am about 66%.
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Does anybody know if the twin engined airplane at the bottom of Hull/Orona Island has been investigated or identified ?
There's wreckage from a wartime C-47 crash on Sydney/Manra (I've IDed one of the prop blades that was recovered to Tarawa in 2000) but I'm aware of no airplane of any description at or near Hull/Orona. What's your source?
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Ric, I Goodle'd "Hull Island Electra" and found a story about it. They also have a sattelite pic of it along with some analysis on the dimensions in the pic with comparison to the size of an Elecrtra. Some comparisons are right on and other are close.
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Ric, It's the "AQUARIUSRADAR" site. I don't know how to paste it over to the TIGHAR page.
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Ric, I Goodle'd "Hull Island Electra" and found a story about it. They also have a sattelite pic of it along with some analysis on the dimensions in the pic with comparison to the size of an Elecrtra. Some comparisons are right on and other are close.
I presume you are referring to this page (http://www.aquariusradar.com/AmeliaEarhartpage.html).
You might want to study up on how to insert links to pages in Forum posts (http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,127.0.html).
By "link" I mean the characters above that are in blue. People can click on the blue text and browse to the exact page that provoked your question. Providing such links is very helpful for our readers.
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Yes Martin, that's the one. What do you think about the pic ? I think their far flung story of Amelia floating from Hull to Gardner is a ways out there, but anything is possible I guess.
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What do you think about the pic ?
It seems to me that the perception of an airframe in the picture (http://www.aquariusradar.com/AmeliaEarhartsplane.html) is most likely an example of "digital artifacts." (http://tighar.org/wiki/Google_Earth)
I think their far flung story of Amelia floating from Hull to Gardner is a ways out there, but anything is possible I guess.
See the links from the Ameliapedia entry about the buoyancy of the Electra (http://tighar.org/wiki/Electra#Buoyancy_of_NR16020). Of course, improbable things do happen, but that is not the way to bet.
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Ric, I Goodle'd "Hull Island Electra" and found a story about it.
Well, if it's on the internet is must be true. The woods are full of amateur sleuths with a theory about Amelia Earhart and a keyboard.
They also have a sattelite pic of it along with some analysis on the dimensions in the pic with comparison to the size of an Elecrtra. Some comparisons are right on and other are close.
Yeah, some satellite pic. About once a week somebody finds the Electra on Google Earth, usually on or around Gardner/Nikumaroro. If you squint just right I bet you could find NR16020 in Long Island Sound.
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Does anybody know if the twin engined airplane at the bottom of Hull/Orona Island has been investigated or identified ? WW2 Huson possibly ? It's basically in the direction of the 157 LOP that Earhart was flying if you're in the Gardner Island "camp", which I am about 66%.
According to Lt. Lambrecht's report (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Documents/Lambrecht's_Report.html), he found Hull Island to be "inhabited" and during his search he landed in the lagoon there and talked to the British "resident manager" who informed Lambrecht that he had "not seen or heard" of Earhart or her flight. It is a little hard for me to believe that she could have crash landed in the lagoon without the inhabitants knowing about it.
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I guess some people on this site aren't as open minded as they would like the rest of the members to believe. I'll believe a helicopter pilot who flew over the lagoon before I believe there's a "Martian giraffe" down there. I'm thinking it's maybe a WW2 plane, in which case it's about 70 years old and about 75 feet down. I'm also thinking there's less than 1% chance it's the elusive Electra.
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The line between "open minded" and "gullible" is razor thin and frequently blurry - I trip over it all the time.
LTM, who should probably clean his glasses more often,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 CER