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Amelia Earhart Search Forum => The Islands: Expeditions, Facts, Castaway, Finds and Environs => Topic started by: Ric Gillespie on April 12, 2010, 02:27:15 PM
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Don't miss the new research bulletin "Hiding in Plain Sight."
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Don't miss the new research bulletin "Hiding in Plain Sight."
Here is a link (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Research/Bulletins/57_Bevingtonphoto/57_HidinginSight.htm) to the research bulletin.
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I believe this is the same photo referenced in Research Bulletin #15, The Carpenter's Daughter, with the "dot and dash" feature. Perhaps when the hi resolution scan of the Bevington photo is received the dot and dash can be examined also?
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That's correct, although we're quite sure that the "dot and dash" are debris from the shipwreck. Nessie is too far north to be from the ship.
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I believe this is the same photo referenced in Research Bulletin #15, The Carpenter's Daughter (http://tighar.org/TTracks/15_1/carpentersdaugh.html), with the "dot and dash" feature. Perhaps when the hi resolution scan of the Bevington photo is received the dot and dash can be examined also?
Adding link to make it easy for folks to find what you're talking about: Research Bulletin #15, The Carpenter's Daughter (http://tighar.org/TTracks/15_1/carpentersdaugh.html)
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Agreed, but I couldn't figure out how to put in a link. :-\
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Agreed, but I couldn't figure out how to put in a link. :-\
See this tutorial on how to insert links into posts. (https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,127.0.html)
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Thanks Marty. Simple enough when it has been explained but not exactly what you'd call intuitive.
Dare I ask how you insert an image?
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Ric,
Have you shown this photo “Nessie” to the guy who saw the “wheel of fortune”? The photo almost looks like a main gear standing upright.
Ted Campbell
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Thanks Marty. Simple enough when it has been explained but not exactly what you'd call intuitive.
Not much worse than any other markup for a link.
Dare I ask how you insert an image?
See this tutorial on how to insert images into posts. (https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,128.0.html)
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This certainly looks like a landing gear strut, with the tire imbedded in the reef. Makes sense to me that the surf would have ripped the airframe from the strut, and then the strut from the reef, especially if a storm had moved over the island.
Personally, I think that you'll find parts of the Electra just off the reef, and will be able to recover something. This photo matched against the others that you have means that there is an "amomaly" on the reef, north of the shipwreck, and probably not part of the ship. I hope that you find it!!
Tom
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I see what you're saying. You could be right. If a wheel dropped into a narrow groove the axle could jam between the sides of the grove. The jammed steel axle could be virtually immovable while wave action against the aircraft would put tremendous stress on gear attach points.
But this fuzzy image is like a Rohrschach Test. It's easy to see what we want to see. Let's hope that a hi-res of the original print provides more detail.
Here's a link to the bulletin just to prove that I am teachable. Hiding in Plain Sight (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Research/Bulletins/57_Bevingtonphoto/57_HidinginSight.htm)
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Here's a link to the bulletin just to prove that I am teachable. Hiding in Plain Sight (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Research/Bulletins/57_Bevingtonphoto/57_HidinginSight.htm)
Well done!
See this tutorial on how to steal formatting from posts. (https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,129.0.html)
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Marty,
Why are we using this string for the subject of links?
Ted Campbell
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Because i needed some instruction and Marty was kind enough to give it.
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Hope that the high resolution scan would reveal something better than the enlarged image posted on this website. Looking forward to it. I'm closely following the upcoming Niku VI!!! By the way, thanks Ric for your book Finding Amelia (and Tom King's Thirteen Bones), which I received some two weeks ago from Amazon. Perhaps they are the only copies that have reached Pakistan(!? ;D) or is there any other Tighar fan over here that you know?! Good luck on your expedition!
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Thanks Rey! If don't know we have any others fans in Pakistan. I'm always amazed that we have so many fans around the world.
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Ric,
Do you expect to have a high resolution copy of the subject photo before you leave for Niku? Are you planning to post the photo as soon as you get it?
Ted Campbell
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I hope to have the scan in a few days. I'll ask Jeff Glickman, our forensic imaging specialist, to analyze it before we say anything about it.
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After looking at the full size photo and the cropped enhanced version I can see where the object may be one of the main gear assemblies standing upright on the reef. What I am wondering is can anyone determine how far from the shoreline the object is and what the water depth would be there? This might allow some guesstimate of the size of the object and either allow or eliminate the gear as a candidate. Additionally, if it is a gear assembly, would that be some type of mount plate on the top of it. Being somewhat mechanically inclined but not familiar with the Electra's construction, I would think that the strut would be affixed to some type of plate to spread the load upon landing. From there it would attach to the rest of the structure. Riveted aluminum structure held in place would be torn away by repeated wave action. If this is a gear assembly in the photo, would it be likely to have separaed from the rest of the plane in such a way? Pure conjecture I know, but since I can't go on the expedition I have to do something. LTM
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Ric,
I'll ask again, has this photo been shown to the guy who saw the "wheel of forturne"?
Ted Campbell
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No. The location is nowhere near where he says he saw a wheel and there's not enough detail visible for him to have any idea of whether it resembles what he saw.
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We have the hi-res scan of the Bevington Photo from the Rhodes House Library at Oxford. It's interesting and quite different than we expected. The scan exhibits light-colored markings on and around "Nessie" that are not apparent in our 1992 copy-photo. Our forensic imaging specialist, Jeff Glickman of Photoek, is currently trying to determine whether the light-colored markings are:
- damage to the photo that occurred since 1992
- reflection from shiny metal (such as aluminum)
- reflection from splashing water
- some combination of any or all of the above
The scan does provide more detail about the dark-colored areas and reveals recti-linear shapes that suggest a man-made object. Nothing conclusive yet but Jeff is working on it. He'll also pin down where Bevington was which will help us pin down where Nessie was so that we can at least go to that spot during the upcoming expedition and see if there is anything at all still there.
Oxford is really draconian about permission to publish images so we probably won't be able to put the hi-res image on the website.
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We have the hi-res scan of the Bevington Photo from the Rhodes House Library at Oxford. It's interesting and quite different than we expected. The scan exhibits light-colored markings on and around "Nessie" that are not apparent in our 1992 copy-photo. Our forensic imaging specialist, Jeff Glickman of Photoek, is currently trying to determine whether the light-colored markings are:
- damage to the photo that occurred since 1992
- reflection from shiny metal (such as aluminum)
- reflection from splashing water
- some combination of any or all of the above
The scan does provide more detail about the dark-colored areas and reveals recti-linear shapes that suggest a man-made object. Nothing conclusive yet but Jeff is working on it. He'll also pin down where Bevington was which will help us pin down where Nessie was so that we can at least go to that spot during the upcoming expedition and see if there is anything at all still there.
Oxford is really draconian about permission to publish images so we probably won't be able to put the hi-res image on the website.
Very intresting information, Ric! Thanks for providing us with it! Hope we can know the conclusion soon! :)
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Ric,
Anything new on the Bevington photo?
Ted Campbell
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Ric,
Anything new on the Bevington photo?
That's what I want to know, too.
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Nothing new on the Bevington photo. Jeff Glickman will try to have whatever results he can get before we leave. He is not going to be able to tell us what that thing is (or was), but he may be able to tell us more about it. He should be able to tell us whether it's likely to have been a man-made object and, most important, he should be able to tell where it was so that we can go to that spot and see if there is anything there now - even if only scars from the thing that was there before.
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Nothing new on the Bevington photo. Jeff Glickman will try to have whatever results he can get before we leave. He is not going to be able to tell us what that thing is (or was), but he may be able to tell us more about it. He should be able to tell us whether it's likely to have been a man-made object and, most important, he should be able to tell where it was so that we can go to that spot and see if there is anything there now - even if only scars from the thing that was there before.
Ric,
Thanks so much for the update! I can't wait to hear what that object was... even if it's gone now!