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Amelia Earhart Search Forum => General discussion => Topic started by: Ric Gillespie on April 14, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
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Here’s where things stand.
We’re finishing up our analysis of the results of the Niku VII expedition. We should have the report ready for release soon. So far I can tell you that there are some really interesting targets out there that we didn’t know about and didn’t get to investigate. I think you can guess how I feel about that.
There are also new (and very cool) developments in the analysis of artifacts and materials from the Seven Site. We’re working on the reports/press releases now.
We are, of course, eager to get back to Niku but there are milestones and toll booths on the road to Niku VIII. I want the Forum to know what happened last year so that you all know why we’re proceeding the way we are. This is the first time I’ve talked about this publicly.
Our original plan was to do a hi-tech deep water search in the summer of 2013. In September 2011, at my request, the Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia and the Pacific Islands arranged for the State Dept. photo analysts to look at the Bevington Photo. In November 2011 they briefed me and said they agreed with Jeff Glickman’s assessment that the object in the photo appears to be the wreckage of Electra landing gear.
In January 2012, as a thank you, I invited the Assistant Secretary to be Guest of Honor at our planned Earhart Search 75 symposium in June. As an afterthought, I also mentioned the photo analysis results. In late February 2012 the Assistant Secretary called me in and made TIGHAR “an offer we couldn’t refuse.” He informed me that he had assurances of sponsorship and in-kind support from several major corporations adequate to cover the costs of a hi-tech deep water search. The Secretary of State herself would endorse our work and announce our deep water search at a special, high-profile press event in March. The catch was that we had to do the expedition asap, preferably in April. Throwing together such a complex operation that fast was out of the question, so we settled on July, the 75th anniversary of the disappearance.
In retrospect, a couple of things are clear. The State Dept. push to do the expedition in 2012 was because they knew that, regardless of the outcome of the November election, Secretary Clinton and her appointees wouldn’t be there in 2013. It also later became obvious that the State Dept.’s primary interest was not the expedition, the outcome of which was beyond anyone’s control. The pay-off for them was the positive publicity from the March press event, which was much more a sure thing. The event was a huge success but, after that, State was done. Lockheed Martin and FedEx came through as promised but the rest of State’s assurances of corporate sponsorships never materialized. We were on our own with commitments made, contracts signed, but only a fraction of the budget raised.
Over the next few months Tim Mellon and Discovery stepped forward with major contributions and public grassroots support was strong, but I was still frantically fund raising as KOK steamed south in July. In the end, we were able to raise most, but not all, of the $2,000,000 expedition budget. The first step on the road to Niku VIII is, therefore, to pay off the debt from Niku VII.
At the same time, we’re going to do Confidence Assessment of the many threads of evidence in this complex 25-years-and-counting investigation. This will be done as a series of questions such as:
• How confident are we that Earhart had enough fuel to reach Gardner Island?
• How confident are we that Earhart was sending radio distress calls in the days following her disappearance?
• How confident are we that the Bevington Object is wreckage from the Earhart Electra?
You get the idea. The point is to review and quantify the credibility of each pillar of support for the Niku Hypothesis. The “we” in all this is the TIGHAR Board of Directors because we’re the one who make the decisions, but recognizing that, despite our best efforts and intentions, we may be less than totally objective, we’re recruiting the help of unbiased outside experts. We’re lining up some really good people. We’ll let you know who they are.
We’ll also be asking for your Confidence Assessment for each question because, at the end of the day, it’s your opinion that really counts. Without the financial support of the community of people who care about solving the Earhart mystery, what we think doesn’t matter. We’re still putting together the mechanics of how the Confidence Assessment will work. Stay tuned for more details.
I’m telling you all this because we need to get serious about getting started down the road to Niku VIII and that means raising money. We have kept fund raising pitches off the Forum and I very much prefer it that way, as I’m sure you do, but I assume you’re all here because you find value here. Maybe it’s a lifelong passion for the Earhart mystery, maybe it’s intellectual stimulation, maybe it’s the satisfaction of participation in an epic quest, maybe it’s entertainment, or maybe it’s just an opportunity to rattle my chain. Whatever you get from this Forum, whether you’re one of the 892 registered Forum members or one of the untold thousands who just read the postings, you’re a powerful force and we need your help now.
Please go to the TIGHAR website. Use the DONATE button to make a contribution. There’s lots of great stuff in the TIGHAR Store. If you have an idea for something you’d like to see in the Store, tell me (Ric@tighar.org). If you’re interested in a corporate sponsorship with recognition on the TIGHAR website homepage, let’s talk.
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Ric,
It sounds like you and more importantly the TIGHAR members were hoodwinked as part of the Obama’s 2012 election operation: e.g. “an offer we couldn’t refuse”, “in-kind support from several major corporations” and the “catch was that we had to do the expedition ASAP” – (sic-before the election).
Although I don’t want this forum to degenerate into a political debate, I say it’s a sad day in this county's history when a serious subject – The Search for AE – becomes a no cost operation, potential publicity opportunity and a no serious liability event if incorporated into an election’s positive “vote for us” dialog.
Personally, the events of the Governments 2012 involvement in our quest will not affect my monitory participation in getting to an acceptable explanation of AE and FM’s final days. I just find this history of the United States Government involvement in this quest very disgusting – stronger words to follow.
Ted Campbell
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It sounds like you and more importantly the TIGHAR members were hoodwinked as part of the Obama’s 2012 election operation: e.g. “an offer we couldn’t refuse”, “in-kind support from several major corporations” and the “catch was that we had to do the expedition ASAP” – (sic-before the election).
The White House was not involved and I doubt that Secretary Clinton was aware of the assurances I had been given by the Assistant Secretary. It was an opportunity for a feel-good media event and I think her admiration for Earhart was sincere.
Although I don’t want this forum to degenerate into a political debate, I say it’s a sad day in this county's history when a serious subject – The Search for AE – becomes a no cost operation, potential publicity opportunity and a no serious liability event if incorporated into an election’s positive “vote for us” dialog.
We all tend to see grand conspiracies where there are only petty manipulations. As you say, we're not going to let this forum degenerate into political squabbles, but since I brought it up I should clarify how politics figured in the whole thing. Political appointees are politicians and I think the lesson here is that the first priority of any politician is politics. The politics, in this case were between the Assistant Secretary and the Secretary. He's a genuine Earhart fan and he genuinely wanted the expedition to find the plane, but he also saw an opportunity to give his boss some positive press. After that was accomplished, and when the fund raising proved to be tougher than he had assumed, he jumped ship. I don't have a problem with Secretary Clinton nor with the career foreign service staff at State whom I found to be hard working, intelligent, and nonpartisan. I'm disappointed in a man who didn't keep his word.
I'm not bitter and I'm not whining about being a victim. I take full responsibility for my own naiveté. I just wanted everybody to understand what happened so that we can move forward, retire the debt, assess our evidence, and equip Niku VIII to stand the best chance of success.
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I guess it would be safe to say we, "Live and Learn" in these circumstances. But the next time someone tries that line on us- we give them a line of our own. "Show me the money!"
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I guess it would be safe to say we, "Live and Learn" in these circumstances. But the next time someone tries that line on us- we give them a line of our own. "Show me the money!"
Amen.
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Ric,
I admire and appreciate your persistence.
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Thanks for sharing this information, Ric.
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There’s lots of great stuff in the TIGHAR Store. If you have an idea for something you’d like to see in the Store, tell me
Perhaps the model of AE Electra could be an item of some interest? Properly scaled, decent quality with the TIGHAR logo on the stand... I would certainly love to have one on the desk in my office...
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Perhaps the model of AE Electra could be an item of some interest? Properly scaled, decent quality with the TIGHAR logo on the stand... I would certainly love to have one on the desk in my office...
I have been looking for and would buy a model of the Electra 10E if TIGHAR offered one.
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Perhaps the model of AE Electra could be an item of some interest? Properly scaled, decent quality with the TIGHAR logo on the stand... I would certainly love to have one on the desk in my office...
I have been looking for and would buy a model of the Electra 10E if TIGHAR offered one.
Thanks Steve. I m quite positive, that the scale model could be a good tradeable item with the potential to generate some small contribution for NIKU VIII... :)
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Over the years we've offered two different models of NR16020. They're now long since sold out. One was carved mahogany and the other was cast resin. I'll confess that I was never really happy with either of them. For some reason the Model 10E's elegant shape is apparently difficult to render accurately - or maybe I'm a perfectionist when it comes to that airplane.
If we could find a vendor who could get it right at a reasonable price I'd be willing to try again.
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Over the years we've offered two different models of NR16020. They're now long since sold out. One was carved mahogany and the other was cast resin. I'll confess that I was never really happy with either of them. For some reason the Model 10E's elegant shape is apparently difficult to render accurately - or maybe I'm a perfectionist when it comes to that airplane.
If we could find a vendor who could get it right at a reasonable price I'd be willing to try again.
I found this one on line. Looks like a good size.
Amelia's L10E (http://www.factorydirectmodels.com/AM705-AR.html)
Factory Direct Price: $151.96
Wing Span: 18 3/4
Length: 13 1/4
A little pricey but maybe TIGHAR could raffle a bunch of them as a fund raiser, like $25 a ticket ?
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Ric,
Let me work on it. Some years ago I worked for Texaco Aviation and we had a series of planes that Texaco owned and/or sponsered made into desk models. Let me see what we can do.
Ted Campbell
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I found this one on line. Looks like a good size.
That's the mahogany one TIGHAR commissioned about 20 years ago. They worked from a three-view of a 10A so the engines are too small. There's no window in the cabin door and no fueling ports on the side of the fuselage. Also, the nose is too pointy.
I know...picky, picky ...but I'm something of a fanatic about accuracy.
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For those of you who are into building models, there are a few choices:
- Williams Brothers makes an odd-scale (1/53) Electra that includes decals to render it as Amelia and Fred's 10-E. Other than being an odd scale, it builds into a reasonable facsimile of our favorite Electra - http://www.williamsbrothersmodelproducts.com/planes.html (http://www.williamsbrothersmodelproducts.com/planes.html) .
- In 1/72, Special Hobby has a passenger version of the Electra that can be "converted" into our 10-E - http://www.squadron.com/product-p/so72015.htm (http://www.squadron.com/product-p/so72015.htm) or http://www.cmkkits.com/en/aircraft/lockheed-model-10-electra/ (http://www.cmkkits.com/en/aircraft/lockheed-model-10-electra/) (it's a Czech company), both of which list it as out of stock at the moment. Bummer.
LTM, who will go back to pushing paper,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 CER
P.S. - Ric, it could be worse, they could try to peddle that Godawful 10-E that's in the National Air and Space Museum ...
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No Ric...you are right. No one would want one, spend a lot of money on one, and it not be accurate and to scale.
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P.S. - Ric, it could be worse, they could try to peddle that Godawful 10-E that's in the National Air and Space Museum ...
Of course, the BEST model of NR16020 is Bill Harney's magnificent work derived from the meticulous drawings he later donated to TIGHAR. The Harney model is now on exhibit at the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome (http://www.oldrhinebeck.org) museum in upstate New York. I'll be giving a talk, answering questions, and signing books at the museum on Saturday, June 29. Weather permitting, there will be the usual demonstration of vintage aircraft in the afternoon. If you've never heard the buzz-blip-blip-buzz and smelled the burnt castor oil of a rotary engine on a Nieuport, Sopwith, or Fokker your Bucket List is incomplete.
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Williams Brothers makes an odd-scale (1/53) Electra that includes decals to render it as Amelia and Fred's 10-E. Other than being an odd scale, it builds into a reasonable facsimile of our favorite Electra - http://www.williamsbrothersmodelproducts.com/planes.html (http://www.williamsbrothersmodelproducts.com/planes.html) .
They don't have an actual picture of the built model, and apparently no way to contact them.
I wonder if it has the correct engine size on them - website says "The Lost Electra" but to be accurate it has to have the right engine size.
Price is right - I would buy one instantly if they only had a picture...
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I wonder if it has the correct engine size on them - website says "The Lost Electra" but to be accurate it has to have the right engine size.
The kit is no longer in production. We auctioned a Williams kit at the symposium last year. As I recall it was basically a 10A - wrong engines.
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The kit is no longer in production. We auctioned a Williams kit at the symposium last year. As I recall it was basically a 10A - wrong engines.
The website says "Back in Stock", I wonder if that's an old reference.
It's almost better if the one they offer to the general public (through dealers) has the wrong engines. That way, you could contract with Williams for the version with the correct engines, as well as doors, windows, markings, vents, antennas, etc. and Tighar would be the only place to get them. Tighar pays like 40 bucks each and sells them as part of a donation for like $150 - good for fundraising...
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The website says "Back in Stock", I wonder if that's an old reference.
Dunno. Maybe all the TIGHAR publicity prompted them to fire up production.
I would expect that tooling up to produce a model with the correct engine size, etc. would be almost a start-from-scratch project.
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Not really an off the shelf kit but, this RC Electra is really a pretty good job. Link takes you to the model construction gallery, very impressive, lots of pics'
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/thumbgallery.php?t=1829939&do=threadgallery&type=img&group=none&starter=no (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/thumbgallery.php?t=1829939&do=threadgallery&type=img&group=none&starter=no)
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Not really an off the shelf kit but, this RC Electra is really a pretty good job. Link takes you to the model construction gallery, very impressive, lots of pics'
There's a YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTX2BjL139Y) from several years ago showing this particular RC Electra flying.
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Beautiful work, but obviously not a very accurate model as far as performance; It didn't ground loop and it didn't get lost! (I know, I probably shouldn't have gone there. If it's too inappropriate, go ahead and remove this post.)
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Thanks for that link Bruce. A very capable model of the Electra indeed, flown very well. Halfway through the display I was praying he would get it down in one piece, wouldn't like to see a great RC model like that trashed.
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42Extraneous exchanges / Could become Valuable
« on: May 13, 2012, 10:39:13 AM »
I didn't search to see if anyone else posted something like this, but this could become pretty valuable should TIGHAR find the Electra at Niku.
Amelia's Electra (http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Model_Aircraft/WIL00053598/product.php?s=0&t=0&u=11)
Brad
The model is still available.. I have one in my collection of kits
Brad
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Hi!
Maybe I'm naive, but there's a thing I don't understand. AE is not just a lost pilot. AE is an AMERCAN HERO and an icon of feminism. In the USA many rich people are living. (Not ALL are rich, of course!) Why cannot some really wealthy people be found, who say: "Yes, we want to know where the Hero was lost and we've got enough money to donate?" Such people should know their names will be published and praised if Amelia is "found" and the mystery is solved.
USD 20.000.- isn't very much for many, many people (or organisations), and TIGHAR has to find only ca. 100 of them. (Or find 1000 to donate 2000.-, but this won't work!)
If you tell them: "We want to find the WHITE BIRD", I would say: No, nobody interested. But AMELIA EARHART is another case. And IF the mystery ist solved, a lot of money will be made (books, movies, games etc.), and maybe the investors can get their money back. Is there nobody out there who wants to be a shareholder?
OK, Mr. Melone is such a man, who donated a lot of money, and it his really cool what he did. It's a pity he feels cheated now.
Oskar Haberlandt
(maybe a dreamer...) ;)
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I think that the terms of the Agreement with the Republic of Kiribati, if nothing else, speak against that.
But most of all, there are numerous and very tricky ethical issues. Essentially, it would imply making two people who possibly died lonely and under terrible circumstances into an object of commercial exploitation. That simply won't do.
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Oskar, I share your frustration that more people with the means to make large contributions have not (yet) stepped forward to help, but I need to correct one misimpression.
But AMELIA EARHART is another case. And IF the mystery ist solved, a lot of money will be made (books, movies, games etc.), and maybe the investors can get their money back. Is there nobody out there who wants to be a shareholder?
TIGHAR is a non-profit public charity. Under the U.S. system, U.S. taxpayers can contribute money to charities and take a deduction on their taxes. A public charity like TIGHAR cannot distribute profits. There are no investors. There are no shareholders. The only thing TIGHAR can offer to contributors is a tax break (if you pay U.S. taxes) and the satisfaction of knowing that you're part of an epic saga of discovery. That's important to some people - not so much to others - but that has always been true. I think it's a good system.
OK, Mr. Melone is such a man, who donated a lot of money, and it his really cool what he did. It's a pity he feels cheated now.
Mr. Mellon participated in the system. One of the ways wealthy people make contributions to charities is to donate stock that has appreciated in value since they purchased it. They get to take a tax deduction for the appreciated amount even though the stock originally cost them only a fraction of that amount. If they had sold the stock instead of giving it to a charity they would have to pay taxes on the increased value. So Mr. Mellon's contribution toward the 2012 expedition, generous as it certainly was, did not cost him nearly the amount that TIGHAR received by selling the stock. Again, it's a good system that encourages wealthy people to contribute to charities.
Nobody cheated Mr. Mellon and we don't pretend to understand his motives for suing TIGHAR.
(maybe a dreamer...) ;)
The best of us are.
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I think that the terms of the Agreement with the Republic of Kiribati, if nothing else, speak against that.
But most of all, there are numerous and very tricky ethical issues. Essentially, it would imply making two people who possibly died lonely and under terrible circumstances into an object of commercial exploitation. That simply won't do.
I think you make an excellent point. Can you expand upon that thought?
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I think that the terms of the Agreement with the Republic of Kiribati, if nothing else, speak against that.
But most of all, there are numerous and very tricky ethical issues. Essentially, it would imply making two people who possibly died lonely and under terrible circumstances into an object of commercial exploitation. That simply won't do.
I agree completely.
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Mr. Mellon,
sorry for spelling your name wrong!
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If we ever get to the point, as Mr. King put it a while ago, of having an 'idiot artifact', which convinces the most skeptical, then there will be widespread publicity about AE and her courageous story. A new generation will be inspired by her, who knows to what more, greater achievements. That I believe is the best thing which could come out of the tighar effort - and the best remembrance posterity can give her. I believe it will happen, and that the strength of her inspiration will be phenomenal, especially to the young folks. And if in that process there is commercial exploitation, but if it serves to spread her story more, I personally don't care if somebody gets rich off of it. 'It is often under the plough of evil that the soil is made fertile again'....paraphrasing Nietzsche.
I hope tighar gathers enough legal rights so that at least they can limit any crassness ( yeah somebody may again make Fred out to be a drunk). I also think her story is so simply courageous on its own merits that it will not be affected by any exploitation.
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Earhart herself was no stranger to commercial exploitation. Far otherwise. I certainly hope that when we finally conclusively solve this mystery our success will generate income for the Republic of Kiribati (which owns anything we find) and for TIGHAR so that we can continue and expand our work in aviation historical investigation and preservation. Commercial exploitation must not, however, turn Nikumaroro into a tourist destination. The Phoenix Islands Protected Area is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and Nikumaroro is one of its most beautiful and best preserved atolls. We're committed to keeping it that way.
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I think a lot of what I mean has been gone over before, in greater depth and in better English than mine , first with the discovery of the Titanic wreckage and then again in 1999 when the body of George Mallory was found high on Everest. Quite a few artifacts were salvaged from the Titanic and some were sold later on with considerable profit (I think a similar scheme may be what Oskar Erich Haberlandt has in mind?). In Mallory's case, the body was photographed, his personal effects were gone over, and DNA and clothing samples were taken. In both instances, some of those things later went on exhibition tours in all parts of the world, and some reservations were expressed about the way things were handled, both by relatives and by the public. Mallory's relatives especially turned out not to be terribly happy about the photograph of the body being on newspaper and magazine covers the world over; they’ d been asked to consent beforehand and did, but seem to have been overwhelmed by the kind of attention the photograph generated nonetheless. In the case of the Titanic, the dead were “protected” by their being so many, and public attention focused on the ship and the way of life it epitomizes.
However, I think these examples make it very clear that it is problematical to make dead people, and the circumstances under which they died, the object of commercial exploitation. People shouldn't be objects even when they're dead; and the circumstances in which someone dies are something very intimate and generally not fit for public consumption in a manner that often borders on the voyeuristic. On the other hand, if we stay entirely away from anything like that, it makes scientific insight into what happened impossible. Both the Titanic and the Mallory artefacts were handled in a responsible manner and the dignity of the dead wasn’t compromised. Still, I think it’s important to be aware of the dangers inherent in something like that.
In Amelia Earhart's and Fred Noonan's case, there are no bodies (and it doesn't look good for the bones being found). There may be parts of the Electra. There are also the artefacts from the Seven Site and Betty's notebook. Pieces of the Electra, preferably with a part number on them, are the only thing that will prove satisfactorily that AE/FN really landed on Nikumaroro; anything else provides circumstantial evidence at best. However, the hypothesis consists of these three factors, and it only really makes sense as a whole. IF the Electra is on Nikumaroro then the Seven Site castaway is almost certainly AE and it doesn't really make sense for Betty to have heard anyone else. The story that emerges then is horrific in the original sense of the word. It might also sell horrifically well.
By asking sponsors to "invest" in the search, TIGHAR would essentially not only relinquish what little control you have over how this story is told, - whether it's a story about what scientific thinking and research can achieve or just another sensational piece about how some celebrity met her end -, you'd be more or less inviting “investors”, who after all want a return on their investment, to capitalize on the way AE (and FN, although not many seem to care about him) possibly died. Suffering unfortunately sells very well. (To emphasize it again, I’m perfectly aware that this is in no way about to happen!)
AE certainly knew how to exploit her public persona (which shouldn’t be confused with the real person behind that, which hasn’t really been brought to light – most of what’s been written about her borders on hagiography and critical but sympathetic voices seem to be almost entirely missing). However, my point is that this is different. She isn’t around to give a “spin” to the way her death is perceived and written about any more and thus, vulnerable to exploitation in a way she certainly wasn’t when she was alive. So is FN.
In short, I don’t think the end (finding the plane) justifies each and every means.
I also think that TIGHAR has handled this very well and is well aware of the dangers and pitfalls. I’m sure you’ll continue to handle this responsibly. I want to emphasize yet again that what I write about commercial exploitation is entirely hypothetical and doesn’t refer to anything TIGHAR did or is about to do.
It certainly doesn’t do the Republic of Kiribati and the I Kiribati justice to become known as the place where AE possibly wound up and died. But they’re essentially about to become victims of global warming and don’t seem to have much of a choice. I’d be happy if this generates some income for them and makes them better known in the world.
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Hello everyone, I must admit to being a longtime reader, first time writer.
Firstly thank you all for your continuing hard work, I feel Amelia always was and for the people and it makes sense to me that the people will find her. I felt compelled to agree with Christine, I think answers are what are required more than artefacts, but that's not to shy away from your continuing good research.
Best wishes,
Rich
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42Extraneous exchanges / Could become Valuable
« on: May 13, 2012, 10:39:13 AM »
I didn't search to see if anyone else posted something like this, but this could become pretty valuable should TIGHAR find the Electra at Niku.
Amelia's Electra (http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Model_Aircraft/WIL00053598/product.php?s=0&t=0&u=11)
Brad
The model is still available.. I have one in my collection of kits
Brad
I'm delighted to have acquired and constructed the Williams Bros. kit (kudos to you, Brad, for keeping one N.I.B.!)
Here's a few pix of my results, with special thanks to Mr. Harney, who's drawings were instrumental.
Perfectly correct scale model, expertly constructed on my part? Nah...
My very own small, respectful, slice of history? Yes.
Dreams? Oh, maybe about a thousand.... how fantastic is it for just a normal guy to build his own Electra. . .while listening to a Tom King podcast? Priceless.
Pic #1: When it came to creating a stand for the "Lost" Craft, the choice was obvious (BIG, BIG props to TIGHAR).
Pic #2: My favorite part, the Belly Antenna.
Pic #3: A prominent place in the ole' "man cave," and so it will remain.
Thanks for watching.
LTM, with a passion for History and the deeds of Humankind.
dp
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Very nice Dave. :D
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Instead of taking on investors as such, how about using one of the new forms of group fund raising such as kickstarter? Reaching large groups of people who donate a few dollars each might do it. TIGHAR is relatively unknown, no disrespect, and the idea is to either hit up a small group for many thousands each or get a large number at a few dollars each. I'm not sure of the rules for each of these types of groups but I just read of a new group trying to raise funds for charities. I have seen Ric and TIGHAR be inventive in the past and I'm sure they could figure out how to do this.
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Instead of taking on investors as such, how about using one of the new forms of group fund raising such as kickstarter?
We're actively considering a LickStarter campaign.
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Ooops! That's what I get for posting via iPhone when I'm jet lagged out of my gourd.
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Ooops! That's what I get for posting via iPhone when I'm jet lagged out of my gourd.
That wasn't Irv. That was me. Sorry. I give up. Gotta get some sleep.
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:o I don't know ::)
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LOL! I wondered. I was sure I posted a different message but now I understand!
And yes. Its Irv this time.
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"Irvine"/"richie"/Ric/whom-ever:
Careful! You are skating on thin ice there.
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Not the Electra in question but, this guy Petri has done a brilliant job on this Canadian Airways L-10.
Quote: "This is a project that has been going for close to two years. The plan is to build 'CF-AZY' of Canadian Airways. This was a model 10 A"
Two years! The attention to detail is amazing.
http://z15.invisionfree.com/72nd_Aircraft/index.php?showtopic=125&st=0 (http://z15.invisionfree.com/72nd_Aircraft/index.php?showtopic=125&st=0)
This link is nine pages charting the build of the model, the images show the progress and are amazing.