TIGHAR
Amelia Earhart Search Forum => General discussion => Topic started by: Karen Hoy on April 13, 2015, 10:26:14 PM
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Is anyone going to be able to make it to this TIGHAR presentation on April 23?
http://indiana99s.org/
LTM,
Karen 2610CER
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Not me.
Maybe Glickman can attend with Ric (presuming he's speaking) and get the needed picture(s) of 'the patch'?
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I'm thinking about driving over from DC, but so far it's just a thought.
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The event at Purdue on April 23 has been cancelled. The person who was organizing and promoting it did not check with the university about their requirements for holding a public event on Purdue property. She just assumed it would be okay. It isn't. She wanted to move it to somewhere else but she didn't have a good alternative and she hadn't really done any promotion. I decided to just bag it. It was always a non-rev add on to a research trip Jeff Glickman and I had planned to make. No big deal.
Jeff Glickman, TIGHAR archaeologist and expedition team member Gary Quigg, and I will be at Purdue Special Collections on April 23 to take copy-photos of at least two of the photos in their collection - the Darwin Fueling photo and the photo of AE and Fred and a couple of mechanics under the tail of the airplane in Miami (a forum member sees something on a box in the photo that he thinks resembles the little fasteners found at the Seven Site).
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Good to know, thanks, Ric.
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*laughs* Yeah, never underestimate the enormous capacity of university bureaucracy to bring things to a virtual standstill, should it be so inclined.Which sounds like the case here.
And don't ask me how I know that.
LTM,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 ECSP
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It's too bad. Seems like Earhart was a founder of the 99's. One wonders, in standing on bureaucracy a bit, is Purdue standing back a bit from recent notoriety on one of their own? One would hope not, but universities can be oddly reactive.
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No conspiracy. This is just standard policy. I invited the archivist to the event and she asked if it had been cleared as meeting the requirements for public events on university property. I inquired and discovered it had not been, and could not be, cleared. So I pulled the plug.
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Oops. Oh well, plans of mice and men...
Glad to hear of the photo visit. Intrigued by the 'fastener' angle - does that relate to the 'gidgies', or other found things?
I have to admit that I can't look at photos showing the special installations of plywood surfaces, extaneous items, etc. in the Electra without scrutinizing for hints of gidgy-stuff to this day. Fascinating.
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Glad to hear of the photo visit. Intrigued by the 'fastener' angle - does that relate to the 'gidgies', or other found things?
Gidgies. A long shot but worth checking.
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Cool. Those little buggers are intriguing.
It is always a business of long shots by nature, is it not? The lady was far better at getting lost than she was at radio use, poor creature. We must all be in love with her at some level...
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Jeff Glickman, TIGHAR archaeologist and expedition team member Gary Quigg, and I will be at Purdue Special Collections on April 23 to take copy-photos of at least two of the photos in their collection
At this point wouldn't the expenses for this trip be better invested in Niku VIII?
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At this point wouldn't the expenses for this trip be better invested in Niku VIII?
I'm going to say, "No."
The trip to Purdue might help fundraising.
"No bucks, no Buck Rogers."
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Actually, the Purdue trip is an important part of the planning for NIKU VIII. In addition to the photographic work, Jefff Glickman and Gary Quigg will be reviewing objects in the 1938 aerial photos inshore from the Bevington Object location that may be man-made. Gary will be leading the onshore search for signs of an initial survival camp. Gary lives in Indiana, not far from Purdue. Jeff is combining this trip with a business trip to Chicago so we don't have to cover his expenses. This is the most economical way to put Jeff and Gary together to discuss the targets Gary's team will be trying to locate and identify.
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At this point wouldn't the expenses for this trip be better invested in Niku VIII?
I'm going to say, "No."
The trip to Purdue might help fundraising.
"No bucks, no Buck Rogers."
Why is that / what is the mechanism as you see it, Marty? That's interesting.
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The trip to Purdue might help fundraising.
Why is that / what is the mechanism as you see it, Marty? That's interesting.
They are going to take pictures of two pictures.
I presume the reason is that they think there might be something of interest in the pictures.
Would they ever undertake the trip if they didn't hope to find something in the pictures?
If they find something of interest in the pictures, mightn't that help sell benefactors on the worth of investing in the expedition?
I deliberately use the word "might" to indicate that I don't know what the outcome of the trip will be.
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Looks like there are several worthy efforts involved in the Purdue trip and it is efficient for several reasons. For the record I donated funds specifically for the effort to check the fasteners since a professional was going to be there anyway. I also donated to the 1937 fund.
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The trip to Purdue might help fundraising.
Why is that / what is the mechanism as you see it, Marty? That's interesting.
They are going to take pictures of two pictures.
I presume the reason is that they think there might be something of interest in the pictures.
Would they ever undertake the trip if they didn't hope to find something in the pictures?
If they find something of interest in the pictures, mightn't that help sell benefactors on the worth of investing in the expedition?
I deliberately use the word "might" to indicate that I don't know what the outcome of the trip will be.
Might be so, Marty, might be so... :P
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I presume the reason is that they think there might be something of interest in the pictures.
We're hoping that the Darwin Fueling photo will either support or detract from the hypothesis that 2-2-V-1 is the Miami Patch. Jeff Neville has made the case that it can't be the patch. The testing done by Lehigh Testing Laboratories is not supportive of the hypothesis but neither does it disprove the hypothesis. Some have claimed that the Darwin Fueling photo proves that there were no stiffeners (lines of rivets) on the patch. Conversely, the "oil-canning" that seems to be apparent in the photo seems to match deformation in the artifact.
I can foresee three possible outcomes to the forensic analysis of a max-resolution copy of the Darwin Fueling photo:
1. It might support the hypothesis - in which case it could be good for fund raising.
2. It might disprove the hypothesis - in which case it could also be good for fund raising because it would demonstrate our scientific rigor.
3. It could be inconclusive - in which case it there would be no benefit to fund raising.
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3. It could be inconclusive - in which case it there would be no benefit to fund raising.
That reminds me of the joke about the man lying unconscious on the sidewalk being worked on by paramedics.
His hysterical wife is wailing, "Give him some chicken soup! Give him some chicken soup!"
One of the paramedics says to her calmly, "Madam, it wouldn't help."
She answers, "It wouldn't hurt!"
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Over the past 3 years I ordered 4 copies of this box fastener image from Purdue(the one on the box under the Electra with AE and FN also in the shade). Each had different resolution and it seemed to me the images with more resolution washed out detail where the second hole might be on the fastener. The lower resolution image at 96DPI showed the details that were not so bright better. There appears to be a second hole that shows up in the 96 DPI image in my opinion. It may be a problem with contrast or something else. I don’t know the reason for the loss in detail in the darker area, but this is why I am glad Jeff Glickman and Ric are going. The very helpful staff at Purdue did not know the hypothesis when I ordered the images, so could not know exactly my interests.
I wanted to post this PDF so Jeff and Ric know what I was trying to get a better look at. Because it may mean using different methods to get better detail in different parts of the image. One method for the shiny left half of the exposed fastener and another for the right half of the fastener which might be covered in a dark stitch and ring/ button/ snap or gasket.
Attached is a PDF to hopefully explain this better. EDITED PDF to show missing layers
I know this is a longshot so thanks again Ric and Jeff for checking it while there.
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Bruce is right! When I got home from the hospital the other day, they hadn't found my problem and I'll probably have to go back. Iwent straight to the cabinet with the chicken soup. It didn't hurt and it tasted good. Until AE, FN and/or an airplane wing with NR16020 on it show up, we need to keep chuggin' with what we have!
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Cat food might work better. :P
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I'm hoping that this was worth the trip, image wise?
LTM,
Monty Fowler, TIGHAR No. 2189 ECSP
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A very worthwhile trip. Lots to talk about. I'll start a new thread.