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Amelia Earhart Search Forum => Alternate Lines of Inquiry => Topic started by: Ric Gillespie on December 30, 2012, 04:32:28 PM
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Chris Johnson recently suggested that, for comparison's sake, I put up more underwater ROV video footage of the reef slope at a similar depth to the much discussed Wire & Rope and Possible Rope videos. Dive 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ews7KiTrtFo) is 30 minutes of the final ROV dive of the Niku VII expedition Dive 14 on July 19, 2012. The dive straddled the 1,000 foot depth contour as shown in the attached map. If you see something interesting I can give you the approximate Lat/Long.
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Tally:
Electra engines 0
Landing gears 0
Right angles 0
Straight edges 0
Fish 2
A very useful exercise. Thanks, Ric.
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Thanks Ric,
As I thought when I made the request this could be another ‘can of worms’. In the first frame alone I have identified objects from the Electra? Norwich City, Geography and some man made objects (see attachment)
OK that’s not what I believe at all but at first glance without much effort my mind has seen something out of coral that it believes to be man made.
Is this more debris or cloud camels? I'll post you decide
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Hi All
I believe if Ric and Co would have seen this object "Compass" and went south they may have found more possible debris
Thanks Richie
Happy New Year Everyone
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The object in image of my last post could possible be a pocket watch or something similar.
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The object in image of my last post could possible be a pocket watch or something similar.
Or it could be a dead Green Tentacled Sea Anemone. They appear frequently in the underwater video.
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The 2012 Dive 14 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ews7KiTrtFo), 2012 possible rope video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zb1GOC2G4&feature=plcp), and 2010 wire rope video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9NXJnwJmRY&feature=youtu.be)seem to have the same color (yellowish, light brown).The Color of the 2012 Debris Field video (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/63_DebrisField/63_DebrisField.htm)seems to be darker and more of a blue color to me. The only manmade object I see in either of the rope videos is what looks like rope.
I see nothing manmade in the dive 14 video. Everything that I thought looked interesting was closed in on by the ROV and looked at well, the ROV thrusters blew over that black object and that irregular tube thing was interesting but likely natural.
I see multiple manmade objects in the 2012 Debris Field video. The objects show up until the end of the video.
Questions:
Did more objects show up on that dive video after the 2012 debris Field Video clip ends?
Is the Nessie object really that close to the reef edge as annotated on the map in the original thread post?
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Did more objects show up on that dive video after the 2012 debris Field Video clip ends?
Not that I saw, but I can put up more of that dive video. Lord knows what you guys will see.
Is the Nessie object really that close to the reef edge as annotated on the map in the original thread post?
The red X in the attached KAP (Kite Aerial Photography) photo of the reef edge shows exactly - as best we can calculate - where the object was in relation to the reef edge. The photo was taken in 2007 at nearly low tide.
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Hi Ric
If you look at the object u can see light reflection at the 7 o,clock position if one were to use a clock face :)
Thanks Richie
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Richie,
your last photo shows inside the dark ring what looks to me like a sea anemone skeleton, a bit like the attached photo (but just one). Looked familier as i used to find plenty whilst a young boy growing up at home by the sea.
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Hi Bob
Yer Probably is ;D
Only thing worth talking about at minute, Aldo i think the Rov goes over possible rope area that we are currently analyzing ;)
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Ric
Did u see many star fish in the Rov footage ?
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Tally:
Electra engines 0
Landing gears 0
Right angles 0
Straight edges 0
Fish 2
A very useful exercise. Thanks, Ric.
I'm with Tim on all points here.
Some of this illustrates very well how easily the mind can 'pick' from the natural environment what one would so earnestly like to see.
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Hi All
I see plenty of right angles, left angles, circle shaped objects.
And odd objects like the one in attached image.
Thanks Richie
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Isn't the obvious conclusion that Nikumororo sits on an island-sized pile of coral-encrusted Electra parts? ;D
Happy new year to all,
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Hi All
I see plenty of right angles, left angles, circle shaped objects.
And odd objects like the one in attached image.
Thanks Richie
Hi Richie, looks like you have found Wilson's, long lost cousin buried in the sand off Niku! Wilson from the movie (cast away). Seems his cuz is a orange and white soccer ball... :D ... All kidding aside, perhaps it's a star fish or an Anemone. Here's a link with some orange and white sea critters.. :o http://www.robots4farms.com/porteaucove.html
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Reply to John, No
An aluminium plane on edge of reef, with tidal wave action, of which is seen at many south pacific islands
There is a good chance your going to get wreckage anywhere along reef face, So i find it best to post what we find than over look it :)
Thanks Richie
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Hi Jimmie
It probable is natural, but given how barren it is down there
It's worth getting second opinion :)
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Hi Jimmie
It probable is natural, but given how barren it is down there
It's worth getting second opinion :)
Absolutely!!!! Agreed!!! It's just amazing how much the object resembles a soccer ball 3/4 buried. I could not resist the "Wilson" comment. Happy new Year!!!!!
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Did u see many star fish in the Rov footage ?
No star fish. Lots of sea anemone skeletons just like the "pocket watch."
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Did u see many star fish in the Rov footage ?
No star fish. Lots of sea anemone skeletons just like the "pocket watch."
Agreed :)
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Hi All
Just wanted to share an image with ye all, Without starting another thread
This is my image of 2012 Tighar related.
And whenever a doubt comes into my mind, This is the image i look at to make it disappear
99% of Tighar disagree with me the object in circle is the shadow of a plane.
But i believe otherwise ;)
Thanks Richie
P.S will delete this post tomorrow, Just wanted to share my 2012 image of the year with you all :)
Well if that is a shadow of an airplane Richie, you can take away my 71st birthday tomorrow.
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Did more objects show up on that dive video after the 2012 debris Field Video clip ends?
Not that I saw, but I can put up more of that dive video. Lord knows what you guys will see.
Is the Nessie object really that close to the reef edge as annotated on the map in the original thread post?
The red X in the attached KAP (Kite Aerial Photography) photo of the reef edge shows exactly - as best we can calculate - where the object was in relation to the reef edge. The photo was taken in 2007 at nearly low tide.
One thing that struck me looking at this image was the lines that can be seen at the 4 oclock position to the red X. Is it possible that these line are drag marks from something heavy being dragged over the reef edge. Like a broken strut end? They are very strait and I see them no where else. Just throwing this out for consideration.
Oh, and Happy New year to ye all.
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Did u see many star fish in the Rov footage ?
No star fish. Lots of sea anemone skeletons just like the "pocket watch."
It was a nice thought though! A pocket watch just lying there :)
Agreed :)
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One thing that struck me looking at this image was the lines that can be seen at the 4 oclock position to the red X. Is it possible that these line are drag marks from something heavy being dragged over the reef edge. Like a broken strut end? They are very strait and I see them no where else. Just throwing this out for consideration.
Sharp eyes and a good thought Peter, but in looking at other KAP photos of the reef I can see similar marks that are clearly not associated with Nessie. I think we're looking at cracks that develop in the reef surface.
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Thanks for posting the reef picture Ric. The reef edge does seem like an area of extreme wave forces and a spot where lightweight objects could not stay long unless hung up or tied down.
Interesting there may be a crack so close to Nessie.
From your observations do you think those cracks are big enough to drive a stake into to? Possibly in an attempt to tie down the object?
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From your observations do you think those cracks are big enough to drive a stake into to? Possibly in an attempt to tie down the object?
I don't recall noticing them when I was walking on the reef but from the KAP photos I would guess that they might be 4 to 6 inches wide.
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I would think you would need to be very careful while walking on the reef. My shoe would easily go down into a 6 inch wide crack and possibly be caught there. ???
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I would think you would need to be very careful while walking on the reef. My shoe would easily go down into a 6 inch wide crack and possibly be caught there. ???
Even tripping and skinning your knee can cause serious infection.
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I would think you would need to be very careful while walking on the reef. My shoe would easily go down into a 6 inch wide crack and possibly be caught there. ???
Even tripping and skinning your knee can cause serious infection.
Or Not, depending on your bodies natural ability to heal itself and how you treated the wound!
Bad Bob, who was never spanked with a fly swatter. ;)
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Or Not, depending on your bodies natural ability to heal itself and how you treated the wound!
Quick story. On the first day ashore on the 2007 expedition I tripped while walking on the reef, fell forward, and landed on the palms of my hands (rather than do a face-plant). I plowed deep furrows in the palms of both hands. Not pretty. Fortunately we had a physician and lots of antibiotics on hand. I like to think that I have a robust immune system but even with expert medical care involving both topical and oral antibiotics we were only just barely able to keep the infection under control. I was picking coral shrapnel out of my hands for the next two years.
For a castaway before the era of antibiotics, I think a significant coral scrape could easily be a death sentence.
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Or Not, depending on your bodies natural ability to heal itself and how you treated the wound!
Quick story. On the first day ashore on the 2007 expedition I tripped while walking on the reef, fell forward, and landed on the palms of my hands (rather than do a face-plant). I plowed deep furrows in the palms of both hands. Not pretty. Fortunately we had a physician and lots of antibiotics on hand. I like to think that I have a robust immune system but even with expert medical care involving both topical and oral antibiotics we were only just barely able to keep the infection under control. I was picking coral shrapnel out of my hands for the next two years.
For a castaway before the era of antibiotics, I think a significant coral scrape could easily be a death sentence.
I can agree with you in part Ric, but I wonder what the mortality rate of the PISS settlers was due to coral scrapings. Maybe they had a medicine man who had some good Juju.
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I can agree with you in part Ric, but I wonder what the mortality rate of the PISS settlers was due to coral scrapings. Maybe they had a medicine man who had some good Juju.
Good question. I suspect that part of it was that they didn't wear shoes and so, for the most part, they didn't go out on the reef.
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I can agree with you in part Ric, but I wonder what the mortality rate of the PISS settlers was due to coral scrapings. Maybe they had a medicine man who had some good Juju.
Good question. I suspect that part of it was that they didn't wear shoes and so, for the most part, they didn't go out on the reef.
More to the point Ric, would you walk anywhere on Niku without your shoes on? I would guess that their feet were so calloused that they were impervious to the sharpness of the coral no matter where they walked. Didn't they have to go out on the reef to fish?
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More to the point Ric, would you walk anywhere on Niku without your shoes on?
No.
I would guess that their feet were so calloused that they were impervious to the sharpness of the coral no matter where they walked.
Assuming that the Kiribati reps who accompany us are typical of what the colonists were like, their feet are calloused enough to walk around most - but not all - of the island barefoot. Some of the inshore parts of the reef north of Norwich City are like walking on rows of razor blades.
Didn't they have to go out on the reef to fish?
They certainly did fish from canoes. Whether they went out on the reef to fish along the edge at low tide is not clear.
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Hi All
Ric what depth on the sonar image are the ledges in the following image , White line pointing to ledge i mean
Blue line in rotated image ?
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Hi All
The reason i ask is because i came across this coral shaped object on right side of sonar image, Object on first ledge an it really does look like the outline of a certain airplane, I think so anyway ::)
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Ric what depth on the sonar image are the ledges in the following image , White line pointing to ledge i mean
That's down really deep near where we rescued the AUV when it got stuck in the cave - probably about 2,500 feet. Bad neighborhood.
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Richie----maybe you are getting somewhere. Seems that 2500 feet is getting close to the bottom?
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F-22 Raptor? ;)
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Richie----maybe you are getting somewhere. Seems that 2500 feet is getting close to the bottom?
Not even close. The bottom is at about 6,000 meters.
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This horse is dead and will not benefit from further flogging. This and other topics discussing whether various shapes in the underwater video are or are not encrusted objects of interest have run their course. Both sides have had more than adequate opportunity to state their case and flogging the subject further will not change anyone's mind. We'll give the horse a decent burial by locking "Summary of Debris from 2010," "2010 Black and White Video of the Debris Field," and "Possible Rope video." I'll leave "Underwater Airplane Parts" open but only as a discussion of what known underwater airplane parts look like in contexts other than Nikumaroro. I'll remove new topics that attempt to revive discussions of objects seen in 2010 and 2012 underwater video unless and until Jeff Glickman advises me that he has found something worth discussing.
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This topic has been re-opened. Enjoy.
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In studying "dive 14" I thought I saw a watch and fob or wrist band at about 10.20. Did anyone else see it or has this topic lost interest??
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Richie, thanks for the re inforcement on the watch at 10:20! I still believe its a watch not a creature. If its an anemone or urchin as others have said I'll eat it! I may be a little slow to catch up but nobody has seen it YET, in person, so go get it. Also the fob orwrist band for it may be earlier I'll get the location and post later. Happy hunting. You guys are amazing (yes, that is my real name and has been for many many years)