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Greg Daspit

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2019, 11:05:01 AM »

On the Marine Traffic site the magenta icon listed as “Pleasure craft” might be the ROV going into or coming out of the water, maybe the ROV or a skiff helping it in and out? Because it does not get location updates for long periods. It stays on the map in its last known location though.
The cyan colored icon labeled “Tugs & Special Craft” gets updated pretty regular so must be the Nautilus. Plus if you check Nautilus by name it has the same color and ship type label. Only searching it that way gave very outdated update on location.

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John Balderston

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2019, 12:23:13 PM »

A Nat Geo online article posted within the last hour (https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/exclusive-inside-the-search-for-amelia-earharts-airplane/ar-AAFHs67) provides insight into the multiple vessel symbology:

Paragraph 18, below the photo of AE and FN, and an advert . . . "Once the Nautilus arrived at the island, a routine quickly developed: Send out the ASV (essentially a robot boat) to map the terrain near the surf.
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John Balderston

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2019, 12:58:40 PM »

A NYT article just posted provides a good overview of the search and credits Ric and TIGHAR for Niku hypothesis - cool pictures too - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/science/amelia-earhart-search-robert-ballard.html
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2019, 01:27:53 PM »

A Nat Geo online article posted within the last hour (https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/exclusive-inside-the-search-for-amelia-earharts-airplane/ar-AAFHs67) provides insight into the multiple vessel symbology:

The good news is, he’s searching visually with the ROVs, not relying on side-scan like they did when looking for the Samoan Clipper.  They can only do towed-array side-scan which doesn’t work on the steep slope. They’ve already found one thing - a metal tube that turned out to be part of some kind of “oceanographic equipment”.  (I wonder if it’s the sonar fish Oceaneering lost during our 1991 expedition.)  They’ll probably come across the fishing nets and wine bottles we’ve seen.  Keep an eye out for banjos.
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John Balderston

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2019, 11:47:02 AM »

University of New Hampshire article posted today profiles the autonomous surface vessel (ASV)  - https://www.unh.edu/unhtoday/news/release/2019/08/13/unh-technology-helps-map-way-solve-mystery-pilot-amelia-earhart
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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2019, 10:57:50 AM »

Interesting plots of the search on https://twitter.com/LabratSR
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Greg Daspit

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2019, 05:30:48 PM »

Interesting plots of the search on https://twitter.com/LabratSR

Thanks for posting this. It would be interesting to see the plot from the last few hours.
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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2019, 10:14:42 PM »

Ric,
If N.G. finds something are we going to be informed or do we have to wait until Oct. to get the info?
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Joe Cerniglia

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2019, 04:55:35 AM »

Man who found Titanic wreck may present on Earhart in Atchison
https://www.newspressnow.com/news/local_news/man-who-found-titanic-wreck-may-present-on-earhart-in/article_51fdaf04-c047-11e9-871f-3b3a0ccf9890.html

“The spokeswoman for (U.S. Senator) Moran said that significant developments relating to the expedition are expected before Sept. 3, at which point exact time and location information will be announced by Moran’s office.”

That sounds somewhat encouraging.

Godspeed, Exploration Vessel Nautilus and Motor Vessel Taka. We’ll be glad to have you back. Regardless of outcome, we know you will bring the world new knowledge about the environments of Nikumaroro under the sea and on land that will be of great benefit to those who study the ecology of the Phoenix Islands Protected Area, and to those who share your love of exploration and discovery. All explorers everywhere feel a great pride in your discoveries, and TIGHARs all over the world will feel a special pride in what together we have done to help make them possible.

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2019, 08:20:12 AM »

Ric,
If N.G. finds something are we going to be informed or do we have to wait until Oct. to get the info?

From a practical standpoint, if they find something significant there is no way they could keep a lid on it until October. Too many people would know about it.

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2019, 08:49:23 AM »


“The spokeswoman for (U.S. Senator) Moran said that significant developments relating to the expedition are expected before Sept. 3, at which point exact time and location information will be announced by Moran’s office.”

That sounds somewhat encouraging.

Don't read too much into it.  The headline of the article is "Man who found Titanic wreck may present on Earhart in Atchison". 
If he does it will probably be via video link. By Sept. 3rd they'll know whether anything "significant" was found. If nothing related to Earhart turns up they'll stress the importance of the data they collected. National Geographic has already said,
"Amelia Earhart had planned to use her Electra to test the latest in aviation equipment—even nicknaming it the “Flying Laboratory.” By the end of this expedition to find the pilot and her plane, the Nautilus’s equipment will be tested to the limits, and the small island of Nikumaroro will be thoroughly mapped. Whether her fate is discovered or not, maybe Earhart would be satisfied with that result."

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Greg Daspit

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2019, 09:12:31 AM »

https://twitter.com/LabratSR
This twitter account posted a more up to date plot. Yesterday the Nautilus seemed to spend about 3 hours in one small area, about .6 NM west of the Bevington Object, then it searched east/ uphill from that spot, then started what looks like a mow-the lawn-pattern to the SW of the area they spent so much time.
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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2019, 09:44:48 AM »

Anything coming out of Senator Jerry Morans office will be mostly true to the fact. Plus, knowing the man all these years has its good points. Jerry and his family attended our church in Hays for many years. If there is one senator that I can put my trust in it would be him! I truly believe that whatever is found this organization will continue to flourish and shine, and everyone else will share in this celebration. As for you Ric Gillepsie...you are an honest man wanting to bring only those things that are true and valuable. If Bob Ballard does find anything...it will be because of the initiative someone took to look at a map after dinner. As a homegrown Kansas boy....its been fun watching this unfold....something tells me in the coming days that you might be wanting to finish that book. I truly believe we are in the right place....its just finding her that is the hardest part of this story. My best to Bob Ballard and his team for believing in RIC, and to you Tighars for sticking around this long on this incredible journey!
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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2019, 10:14:09 AM »

Yesterday the Nautilus seemed to spend about 3 hours in one small area, about .6 NM west of the Bevington Object, then it searched east/ uphill from that spot, then started what looks like a mow-the lawn-pattern to the SW of the area they spent so much time.
It seems safe to infer that they found nothing of interest in the small area west of the Bevington Object.   My thoughts are these:
The available evidence suggests the plane sustained considerable damage in the surf close to the reef edge but if the fuel tanks were not compromised we’ve calculated it could remain afloat for as much as 18 minutes. Based on prevailing currents and winds, the most likely direction of drift would be southwestward from the Bevington Object location.  A rate of 2 knots seems generous. That puts the plane sinking roughly one third of a nautical mile (ballpark 600 meters) from where it started, enough to put it a bit beyond Norwich City in water 4 or 5 hundred meters deep. We spent very little time in that area in 2012.  If it was me, I’d look at the reef slope south of the shipwreck.

Nightmare scenario:  The plane floated southwest and sank where the stern of Norwich City landed when it broke off in January 1939.  The plane is now buried under a few tons of ship wreckage.
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Greg Daspit

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Re: Bob Ballard to search for Earhart plane
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2019, 10:57:30 AM »

From the NY Times article:
"As Dr. Ballard squinted at the blur, Mr. Campbell handed him a second, digitally enhanced image. Mr. Campbell said the smudge was landing gear from a Lockheed Model 10-E Electra."

Later in the same article:
"Mr. Campbell shared the photo with experts at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, who used classified technology to enhance the picture."

Did Dr. Ballard see an enhanced classified image of the photo that is different from the image that either TIGHAR or the public have seen?

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