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Shannon Council

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Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« on: October 24, 2010, 03:30:44 AM »

Dr. King presented an excellent summary of TIGHAR's work from 1988ish until now, at the recent UNR "Distinguished Archeologists" series, Oct. 20th. He should have brought more copies of "Thirteen Bones" and "Amelia Earhart's Shoes ...", as these were sold out shortly after the presentation was completed. I was surprised at how many young kids were there - by interest, or under duress from their course requirements - and how utterly silent and inquisitive they were during the dissemination of the Niku hypothesis. If you can get kids under twenty years old to shut up for one hour and listen, and ask meaningful questions, then you've hit on something wonderfully interesting.

The PowerPoint show given had some interesting slides I haven't seen yet on TIGHAR's web-site, including a hi-resolution scan of Bevington's October 1937 going-away photo of Niku, focusing on the Norwich City wreck, and which had a recently identified anomaly in the lower left hand corner, nicknamed as "Nessie." This scan shows what might possibly be the upside down landing gear of an aircraft.

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Research/Bulletins/57_Bevingtonphoto/57_HidinginSight.htm

Can this hi-res photo that Dr. King presented be posted on TIGHAR?

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 05:10:30 AM »

"Hiding in Plain Sight".

Can this hi-res photo that Dr. King presented be posted on TIGHAR?

"Can" is a word that denotes possibility, power, capability, and the like.  tighar.org can host high-resolution photos in any number of ways.  We have the disk space and bandwidth.

Whether the folks who are working on the hi-res photo will post the image on tighar.org is a different question.    :P

My answer to that question is, "I don't know."
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Chris Johnson

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 07:51:37 AM »

When the time is right springs to mind
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Daniel Paul Cotts

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 12:55:56 PM »

An old message thread "The Bevington Photo" has Ric saying in reply #22 dated April 27, 2010, "Oxford is really draconian about permission to publish images so we probably won't be able to put the hi-res image on the website."
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 08:06:19 AM »

As Dan Cotts notes, we can't publish the hi-res image due to legal restrictions.  I don't want to encourage amateur speculation about what the photo shows. The photograph has been and continues to be the subject of intense scrutiny by Jeff Glickman of Photek, our forensic imaging specialist.  When we have a professional, scientific analysis of what can and cannot be said about the image we'll make that public.
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 11:51:22 AM »

The recent press conference at the State Department (20 March 2012) has piqued interest in the photo taken by Bevington in 1937.

An EPAC member noted that the damage done to NR16020 in the crash at Luke Field shows how vulnerable the landing gear was to being torn off in an accident.


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Harry Howe, Jr.

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 12:53:18 PM »


I need to be enlightened, but I was under the impression that Mr. Glickman's work in enhancing and analyzing and reporting on the "Nessie" photo was done under contract with TIGHAR.  Did that contract place limits on what TIGHAR could release?  Or, did the limits come about from others (Bevington heirs, Oxford), or  the State Dept.?
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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 01:11:13 PM »


I need to be enlightened, but I was under the impression that Mr. Glickman's work in enhancing and analyzing and reporting on the "Nessie" photo was done under contract with TIGHAR.  Did that contract place limits on what TIGHAR could release?  Or, did the limits come about from others (Bevington heirs, Oxford), or  the State Dept.?

The restrictions come from Oxford University.  We had to pay a tidy sum to get the use of the high-resolution image for research purposes only.  Publication permission would be much more expensive and it wouldn't do a layman any good anyway.
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Shannon Council

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 02:39:48 PM »

CNN posted a photo of a blown up hi-res version of Nessie taken during what I assume was the State Dept. press conference.
I think this was one of the exhibits Ric used when giving the presentation.
I do not know if this is the same hi res scan used in the forensic analysis by Jeff Glickman and the State Dept.

news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/20/reports-new-search-planned-for-amelia-earhart/?iref=allsearch

If you zoom in on the CNN pic, you'll see the details are different from what the low res version leads the ( untrained ) eye to believe. Lots of interesting curves and straight lines that seem to match up somewhat with an Electra's landing gear ( from what I recall, the model #41065 "worm gear" version of the landing gear, of which AE's plane had. )

But you'll most likely go cross eyed trying to do a cursory analysis and mentally lining up a simple 3D overlay from diagrams or other photos of the landing gear.



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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2012, 05:09:34 PM »

That is definitely the highest resolution picture that I have seen so far. Attached is an equalized version. It looks like a sailor carrying a lifesaver and has a walking stick tucked under his arm... I guess we will have to wait to see the improved version.
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Jeff Victor Hayden

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2012, 06:02:53 PM »

That is definitely the highest resolution picture that I have seen so far. Attached is an equalized version. It looks like a sailor carrying a lifesaver and has a walking stick tucked under his arm... I guess we will have to wait to see the improved version.
Good one Heath ;D
It's not the enhanced version in the circle, it comes out a lot clearer but again, scale is an issue especially at that distance.
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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 06:42:28 PM »

That is definitely the highest resolution picture that I have seen so far. Attached is an equalized version. It looks like a sailor carrying a lifesaver and has a walking stick tucked under his arm... I guess we will have to wait to see the improved version.
You're right, that is what it looks like.

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 09:39:58 PM »

re: equalized cnn pic.
Looks like a small skiff to me, transom faces camera, bow toward beach. The other "nessie" pic still looks like a human wader to me although when I try to enhance the picture I get all kinds of weird shapes, none of which looks like a landing gear.
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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 10:04:48 PM »

guys---this is alittle different than the original. Alittle clearer when you zoom in.
I was wrong. Its not a landing gear strut stucking up out of the reef. It appears to have something black and round/oblong at the top, and a rather round base. It almost looks as though its the back view of an engine cowling, with the landing gear bent over on the right side, and a prop blade extending down to the left into the water.  Yep---thats big stretch. But---it may have been possible that the gear was stuck in the reef, and with wave action, tore the engine/gear mount off the wing. The Electra and everything else goes over the reef, and isnt seen by Lambrecht. But, between his flight and the October visit by Bevington, the waves and currents wash this wreckage on the reef to the point, where Bevington takes the picture.

Yep---I know that really pushing a logical scenario, but---I'm open for suggestions.
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Shannon Council

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Re: Reno Presentation - Hi-Res Nessie Photo Available ?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 02:16:15 AM »

Shannon, the object within the circle is from the high res photo although it has not been enhanced in this picture.
news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/20/reports-new-search-planned-for-amelia-earhart/?iref=allsearch
Yes I realize that the encircled image is just a higher resolution version of the original Nessie photo from almost two years ago, but is it enhanced? "Enhanced" is a generic term, and just re-scanning at a higher resolution would "enhance" it to some degree. I assume you meant "enhance" as in running some software magic on it, like edge detection, hi pass filtering, contrast and brightness adjustments, leveling, normalizing, shadowing, etc. etc.

What I meant is that the image posted on CNN per the link above is what I believe I saw in 2010, during Dr. King's presentation, and if contrasted side-by-side with the low resolution Nessie photo, shows remarkable differences in detail.

The low resolution pic looks to my aging eyes as if the tire is the most vertical part of the object, supported by the struts below it, stuck into a crevice. The high resolution pic looks as if
the steel hardware is somewhere near horizontal or slightly diagonal, and entangled in a small mess of wreckage, with the toroidal black tire still inflated and view-able at any number of oblique angles.

A key to these images is the TIGHAR Tracks Oct. 2011 summary of Nessie's analysis, identifying that the "worm" type of landing gear on NR 16020 is consistent to what is identifiable in the photograph's components. The worm gear has the same, if a slightly larger, radius as the fully inflated tire.

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