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Title: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on July 18, 2012, 01:17:56 AM
Good Morning you all!!! Thought I would throw a few pictures out to some of you. Don't know if anyone has seen these or not..but thought they were very interesting as to some of us have been discussing these very same topics. Also, today marks the 80th anniversary of Amelia Earhart's receiving the Distinquished Flying Cross Award. Anyway, below are some of the pictures on some of the things we have been discussing bout. Really curious to know what that is that Harry Mantz and Amelia are holding? Is that a sextant? Also, the other photograph shows Amelia and another man next to the directional finder. Is this how long the wire runs between the transmitter and box?  Anyway, enjoy the photos!!!!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Gary LaPook on July 18, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
Good Morning you all!!! Thought I would throw a few pictures out to some of you. Don't know if anyone has seen these or not..but thought they were very interesting as to some of us have been discussing these very same topics. Also, today marks the 80th anniversary of Amelia Earhart's receiving the Distinquished Flying Cross Award. Anyway, below are some of the pictures on some of the things we have been discussing bout. Really curious to know what that is that Harry Mantz and Amelia are holding? Is that a sextant? Also, the other photograph shows Amelia and another man next to the directional finder. Is this how long the wire runs between the transmitter and box?  Anyway, enjoy the photos!!!!
Manning is holding a Bausch and Lomb bubble octant but that is a different type from the Pioneer bubble octant (https://sites.google.com/site/fredienoonan/topics/pionneer-octant) used by Noonan.

gl
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: John Ousterhout on July 18, 2012, 06:39:59 AM
"...Is this how long the wire runs between the transmitter and box?"
The "wire" seen in the photo runs from the antenna to the antennna controller (in the man's hands in Randy's pictures at the top of this thread).  The Receiver, not the transmitter, connected to the controller, and through it to the antenna.  The loop antenna was only used for receiving.  The controller was mounted on the instrument panel, where it stuck out in a convenient place for Amelia to operate it  (I'll try to find the photo).  The controller rotated the antenna and indicated what direction the antenna was pointing.  It also allowed the number of turns of wire inside the antenna to be selected for best frequency sensitivity.
Correction - a normally reliable source tells me that the controller only provided tuning of the coil, using capacitors, and such.  Rotation was by other means, possibly a handle sticking out from the antenna through the cabin roof.
Nice clear view of Amelia's shoe.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Michael Calvin Powell on July 18, 2012, 10:28:54 AM
That direction finder picture also has a good view of Amelia's shoe - with the lighter heel that some assume was a replacement similar to the cat's paw heel found on Niku.

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/29_ShoeFetish1/29_ShoeFetish1.html (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/29_ShoeFetish1/29_ShoeFetish1.html)
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on July 18, 2012, 12:19:01 PM
Hey Michael and John...Thanks for the insight on Amelia's shoes. I went looking this afternoon and found two good additional pics of her shoes. Apparently, from what I noticed she must have had quite the selection. Anyway, hope these stir up a good conversation!!!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on July 18, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
Oops!!! I correct myself on the name Mantz! It's Manning! Sorry!!!!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Ted G Campbell on July 18, 2012, 05:20:07 PM
All,
Keep in mind that if the "stuff" we are seeing/suggesting has come from the cockpit the Electra was totally torn apart on the reef before she went over the side!
Ted Campbell
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Gus Rubio on July 19, 2012, 02:35:16 PM
That direction finder picture also has a good view of Amelia's shoe - with the lighter heel that some assume was a replacement similar to the cat's paw heel found on Niku.

http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/29_ShoeFetish1/29_ShoeFetish1.html (http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/29_ShoeFetish1/29_ShoeFetish1.html)

Wow, it's chilling to think- what if that very heel in that picture is the one found on Niku...?

Great pics, thanks Randy!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: richie conroy on July 19, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
Talking of picture's of interest, look at this one for sale on ebay

Can you honestly say that is Amelia Earhart (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BS-PHOTO-aam-668-Amelia-Earhart-/280877787705?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item41659eea39#ht_3518wt_1185) ? :o
very strange image indeed  :)

Richie, I modified your post and put your link to e-Bay on Amelia's name to save space on the thread.

Doc
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: richie conroy on July 19, 2012, 05:19:32 PM
this is original image (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-press-photo-Amelia-Earhart-American-aviator-/251103759129?pt=Art_Photo_Images&hash=item3a76f34b19#ht_2908wt_1014) by different seller


Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on July 19, 2012, 06:15:33 PM
I added another pic of Amelia..this time with the bottom of her shoe being shown! Hope this helps in anyway!!!                       
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on July 20, 2012, 11:30:26 AM
Okay! This is my final shoe pic. But, think its a real good one considering you can actually see the bottom of it! Also, here is a good video of Amelia flying the autogyra for the very first time!!! Never seen this video before until last night!  Also, written article about Amelia and her passion for adding stuff to her outfits, like buttons and etc! Enjoy!!!!

www.npg.si.edu/exhibit/earhart/pop-ups/07.html

www.npg.si.edu/exhibit/earhart/pop-ups/vid_02_autogyro.html
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on July 21, 2012, 03:04:10 AM
Let me guess!!! Amelia tested this thing!!! Enjoy!!!!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Randy Conrad on August 09, 2012, 06:50:14 PM
Found these two pictures in the Kansas room at the Hays Public Library in Hays. Thought you might find the unfinished Electra plane interesting with the cross braces along the outside of the plane and the steel pieces criss crossing where the fuel tanks would go. Question...these steel pieces shown at the conference...are these cross supports for the plane?
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Malcolm McKay on August 09, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
Question...these steel pieces shown at the conference...are these cross supports for the plane?

That's the main spar of the wing, and that is aluminium.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: richie conroy on August 09, 2012, 07:52:47 PM
Question...these steel pieces shown at the conference...are these cross supports for the plane?

That's the main spar of the wing, and that is aluminium.

They were aluminum skin plated, but the structures were made of steel. http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/56_WhereIsElectra/56_where3.htm
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: richie conroy on August 09, 2012, 07:56:26 PM
Found these two pictures in the Kansas room at the Hays Public Library in Hays. Thought you might find the unfinished Electra plane interesting with the cross braces along the outside of the plane and the steel pieces criss crossing where the fuel tanks would go. Question...these steel pieces shown at the conference...are these cross supports for the plane?

if you click on link you will find better quality images  :)

https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,504.15.html

here is another link http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/61_FuelSystem/61_FuelSystem.htm
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Malcolm McKay on August 09, 2012, 10:17:23 PM

They were aluminum skin plated, but the structures were made of steel. http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/56_WhereIsElectra/56_where3.htm

No - the main spar is all aluminium, steel would be a heavy, corrosion nightmare besides offering no extra strength. The steel bits are the tubular engine mounts attached to the nacelles.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: JNev on August 10, 2012, 11:26:00 AM
Malcolm's correct in his assessment if I am following you two (Richie and Malcolm) -

The main structures of the Electra were aluminum.  Richie, you noted aluminum 'skins' - correct - but so were the frames in the interior picture (aluminum) including the main spar (a truss affair built up of formed aluminum plate).

The engine mounts - tubular structures attached to the nacelles out on the wings - WERE steel, as would be the major landing gear components.  Not much else of 'steel' in there, however.

As Malcolm noted, you get issues when you mix the two - differential metals set up a difference in potenti which amounts to corrosion when exposed to the right conditions, especially contaminants and moisture (acts like a battery).  Care has to be take to isolate the two when they do interface in the construction of an airplane, e.g. where a steel mount bolts to an aluminum structure.

Hope that helps clarify a bit.  Interesting pix from those bulletins.  Read those carefully - they may reveal more about the point I am trying to clarify here.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: richie conroy on August 10, 2012, 02:04:33 PM

They were aluminum skin plated, but the structures were made of steel. http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/Bulletins/56_WhereIsElectra/56_where3.htm

No - the main spar is all aluminium, steel would be a heavy, corrosion nightmare besides offering no extra strength. The steel bits are the tubular engine mounts attached to the nacelles.

Thanks Malcolm

I miss read this bit, The aluminum skins that bound the center section.

My Bad  :)
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Gloria Walker Burger on August 11, 2012, 12:30:41 AM
Hi everyone! I'm new here. I've been spending my spring and summer (I'm a teacher) reading as much as I can on the TIGHAR website and finding it fascinating (and addicting!)! Thanks to all the researchers and the wonderful work you are all doing. Though no smoking gun has been found, I am convinced that Gardner (or Niku) is where AE and FN ended up. Your research and expeditions are amazing. I especially enjoyed these pictures and that great video of Amelia flying (notice the shoe as she gets in the plane). The one sold on ebay...sure doesn't look like Amelia, but I guess it must be as it was taken in Lae with FN. Where can I find more video of Amelia, especially of her talking? Thanks!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: C.W. Herndon on August 11, 2012, 08:54:08 AM
Gloria, Welcome to the Forum.

Here's one place to look. Have fun.

http://www.criticalpast.com/products/search/?sort_order=asc&q=amelia%20earhart&page=1 (http://www.criticalpast.com/products/search/?sort_order=asc&q=amelia%20earhart&page=1)
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: don hirth on August 11, 2012, 08:59:24 AM
Welcome, Gloria! (from a 3 mo. newbie) 'Much great thought in this forum. Let's hope for
something promising on Aug. 19.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Bob Lanz on August 11, 2012, 11:36:32 AM
Where can I find more video of Amelia, especially of her talking? Thanks!

Welcome Gloria,

You might want to take a moment and go to the New Member Introduction thread and tell us a bit about yourself.

https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,235.25.html (https://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,235.25.html)

Here are some clips of Amelia talking on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UDkXcj585I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UDkXcj585I)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czki0r7KcmU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czki0r7KcmU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLDA-ItfHA&playnext=1&list=PL14AC1C0E9800A372&feature=results_main (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLDA-ItfHA&playnext=1&list=PL14AC1C0E9800A372&feature=results_main)
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Gloria Walker Burger on August 11, 2012, 06:30:28 PM
Thanks all. Great links!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Kevin Weeks on August 23, 2012, 10:32:04 AM
here is an interesting and tragic photo. I was starting to look for some helpful views of the electra's landing gear when I ran across this photo of her. I can only imagine what she might have been doing to that RDF had she known.

(http://static.thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2009/11/earhart2.jpg)

thanks to whoever moved my post, much better place for it!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Jeff Victor Hayden on August 23, 2012, 10:58:16 AM
here is an interesting and tragic photo. I was starting to look for some helpful views of the electra's landing gear when I ran across this photo of her. I can only imagine what she might have been doing to that RDF had she known.

(http://static.thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2009/11/earhart2.jpg)

thanks to whoever moved my post, much better place for it!

Kevin. If she had learned how to use it and, its capabilities she would have been kissing it :D
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Kevin Weeks on August 23, 2012, 11:36:38 AM
I wonder which RDF unit it was?? the "new" heavy one or the one that ended up on the flight. I'm guessing it was a promo pic of the new unit that she had removed for weight concerns??

originally she had no reason to learn its use as she had noonan to work it in the copilot's seat.....
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on August 23, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
I wonder which RDF unit it was?? the "new" heavy one or the one that ended up on the flight. I'm guessing it was a promo pic of the new unit that she had removed for weight concerns??

See the article on Hooven (http://tighar.org/wiki/Frederick_J._Hooven), with links to the Loop Antenna article.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Kevin Weeks on August 23, 2012, 12:19:09 PM
thanks marty, after doing a bit of reading it apears that the RDF she is holding in that picture is the one that was used on the flight. i havent actually found an image of the "heavy" modern unit but apparently it was much smaller and more aerodynamic. Hooven stated that the aero benefits of the new unit would outweigh (see what I did there) the loss of fuel she could carry.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on August 23, 2012, 12:59:48 PM
... Hooven stated that the aero benefits of the new unit would outweigh (see what I did there) the loss of fuel she could carry.

Although Aristotle said that puns are the lowest form of humor, I laughed out loud when I saw what you did there.  ;D

As another great man once said, "Go, and sin no more."   8)
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: C.W. Herndon on August 23, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
thanks marty, after doing a bit of reading it apears that the RDF she is holding in that picture is the one that was used on the flight. i havent actually found an image of the "heavy" modern unit but apparently it was much smaller and more aerodynamic. Hooven stated that the aero benefits of the new unit would outweigh (see what I did there) the loss of fuel she could carry.

Kevin, here are some pictures of what is thought to be the Hooven system.

Picture 1, not too good but not many pictures of this, is the housing for the loop antenna of the Hooven system.
Picture 2 is thought to be the remote tuning unit for the Hooven system radio receiver.
Picture 3 top half is thought to be the antenna tuning control for the Hooven system.
Picture 3 bottom half is thought to be the radio receiver for the Hooven system.

Hope these help.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Kevin Weeks on August 23, 2012, 03:44:26 PM
thanks marty, after doing a bit of reading it apears that the RDF she is holding in that picture is the one that was used on the flight. i havent actually found an image of the "heavy" modern unit but apparently it was much smaller and more aerodynamic. Hooven stated that the aero benefits of the new unit would outweigh (see what I did there) the loss of fuel she could carry.

Kevin, here are some pictures of what is thought to be the Hooven system.

Picture 1, not too good but not many pictures of this, is the housing for the loop antenna of the Hooven system.
Picture 2 is thought to be the remote tuning unit for the Hooven system radio receiver.
Picture 3 top half is thought to be the antenna tuning control for the Hooven system.
Picture 3 bottom half is thought to be the radio receiver for the Hooven system.

Hope these help.

very interesting woody. I have seen some of these before when going through the myriad of text that marty's link led to.

from the reading I have done I have to agree with everything the pictures you put up show except for the picture #3 top half. I do not see what the arrow is supposed to be pointing towards. you can clearly see the area that the arrow points to in the bottom picture but I see nothing relevant??
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: C.W. Herndon on August 23, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Kevin, the top picture is pointing toward a black box that seems to be hanging from the ceiling above the fuel tank.

Here is a picture of what the front of the box may have looked like.
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: Kevin Weeks on August 24, 2012, 10:22:20 AM
Kevin, the top picture is pointing toward a black box that seems to be hanging from the ceiling above the fuel tank.

Here is a picture of what the front of the box may have looked like.

ahh I found the problem. my browser window needed to be moved over so I could see the rest of the image (blushes profusely!)  when I was looking at it originally the picture ended right at the tip of the arrow so I didn't see the box!
Title: Re: Pictures of Interest
Post by: C.W. Herndon on August 24, 2012, 01:19:04 PM
Ah so. We all do things like that sometimes. ??? Glad the pictures helped.