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Historic Aircraft Recovery and Preservation => Golden Age Aircraft topics => Topic started by: Rich Ramsey on November 22, 2011, 10:44:28 AM

Title: In search of the Lady Southern Cross (Kingsford-Smith's Lockheed Altair)
Post by: Rich Ramsey on November 22, 2011, 10:44:28 AM
N.B. This thread began in the Chatterbox, where folks were suggestion new projects for TIGHAR to work on.  MXM, SJ

... what about  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kingsford_Smith? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kingsford_Smith)
Title: Re: Re: Next Project?
Post by: Chris Johnson on November 22, 2011, 11:14:54 AM
Both are good... but what about  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kingsford_Smith

Thought it had been found?
Title: Re: Re: Next Project?
Post by: Rich Ramsey on November 22, 2011, 12:21:23 PM
From what I can read a Film crew thought they found it but no body was able to prove it and find it again from their records. Not sure, was a quick read through the Wiki.
Title: Re: Re: Next Project?
Post by: Chris Johnson on November 22, 2011, 12:23:36 PM
Well I remeber reading that a collegue of theirs went to the island looking for evidence and found flattened and/or damaged trees so at least TIGHER only need to look in the sea close to where the landing gear was found (spooky or what!!!!!)
Title: Re: Re: Next Project?
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on November 22, 2011, 12:51:21 PM
Both are good... but what about  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kingsford_Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Kingsford_Smith)

Thought it had been found?

A filmmaker claims that he has found The Lady Southern Cross (http://www.news.com.au/kingsford-smiths-resting-place-found/story-0-1225699508563).

There are some doubts about the reliability of his judgment (http://www.watoday.com.au/national/filmmaker-100-per-cent-sure-hes-found-kingsford-smith-20090321-94xo.html).

Several expeditions were slated to take place in 2010 (http://www.newsmaker.com.au/news/4621).

He also thinks that he has found and can salvage the world's largest bell (http://www.mmtimes.com/2010/news/531/news013.html).

Lay built a static replica of the Lady Southern Cross (http://tube.7s-b.com/video/QW8ZOSwzSDI/Lady-Southern-Cross-airplane-replica-unveiling.html).  More details on the replica (http://www.historymaker.net.au/aircraft/lady-southern-cross-replica/).  I don't like the sound of this: "The aircraft is constructed in timber, in the same fashion as the original, the skin was moulded an form providing a smooth finish, whilst the wings, significantly in the rear tail area section, were skinned by laminating timber, creating the quite severe buckles and ripples, identical to the original aircraft."  I wonder whether the plane was brought down by loss of one of those buckled and rippling skins! 

Some of the links to Animax Films suggests to me that his company is insolvent.  No sign of the proposed feature-length film, The Lost Anzac.

I'll bet Mr. Lay would love to have a few million dollars to complete his research and his film.  No fair donating that until after you've given an equal amount to TIGHAR first!
Title: Re: In search of the Lady Southern Cross (Kingsford-Smith's Lockheed Altair)
Post by: Rich Ramsey on November 22, 2011, 02:10:17 PM
Great information Martin, thanks.
Title: Re: In search of the Lady Southern Cross (Kingsford-Smith's Lockheed Altair)
Post by: Martin X. Moleski, SJ on November 22, 2011, 05:29:47 PM
Great information Martin, thanks.

My pleasure.  I had fun fleshing out the details, such as they are.

It will be interesting to hear "the rest of the story," when and if it becomes available.  I wonder whether the 2010 expedition took place, and, if so, what it found.
Title: Re: In search of the Lady Southern Cross (Kingsford-Smith's Lockheed Altair)
Post by: Rich Ramsey on November 23, 2011, 07:24:40 AM
I did some searching on that yesterday and didn't come up with anything. With any luck it will be a slow day at the office and I can look today. I'll post if I find something.
Title: Re: Re: Next Project?
Post by: Chris Johnson on November 23, 2011, 08:42:36 AM
Well I remeber reading that a collegue of theirs went to the island looking for evidence and found flattened and/or damaged trees so at least TIGHER only need to look in the sea close to where the landing gear was found (spooky or what!!!!!)

Link to above http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/KingsfordsSmith.htm
Title: Re: In search of the Lady Southern Cross (Kingsford-Smith's Lockheed Altair)
Post by: Rich Ramsey on November 23, 2011, 08:54:54 AM
So I found a news Clip about Sir Charles and our Mr. Lay who claims to have found him.  Here are the links:

http://www.historymaker.net.au/2010/11/345/

Direct Video Link: http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/video/-/watch/22880799/

There are those who doubt this claim. He has gotten things wrong in the past. I can't read sonar well but I don't see a plane there at all.

Can't wait to read what you all think.