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Ric Gillespie

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No Cigar
« on: February 07, 2015, 07:58:01 AM »

This article about a new painting of NR16020 is interesting.  The artist is torn between Crashed & Sank and Died as a Castaway.  He apparently used the Finch/Kammerer/ Museum of Flight replica for his model - which resulted in a glaring error in the painting.
Can you spot it?
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Andrew M McKenna

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2015, 08:23:38 AM »

Ric  Your link doesn't want to go anywhere.  ??

This one might get you there

http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2015, 08:26:08 AM »

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2015, 08:32:36 AM »

Propeller hubs aren't right?

And it's hard to fly without them turning?  I suppose (helps to read the text) this represents the moment after she ran out of gas, but even then would the props simply stop?

and, we might argue that the belly antenna shouldn't be there.....

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Joe Cerniglia

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2015, 08:38:04 AM »

This article about a new painting of NR16020 is interesting.  The artist is torn between Crashed & Sank and Died as a Castaway.  He apparently used the Finch/Kammerer/ Museum of Flight replica for his model - which resulted in a glaring error in the painting.
Can you spot it?

He has the props feathered, I think.  If this illustration is a correct rendering of the feathering concept, then Cole's drawing looks like the one one the left.  You once said the propeller blades could not be feathered.
http://tighar.org/smf/index.php/topic,517.msg6814.html#msg6814

(I think.  No aircraft design expertise here talking.)

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2015, 08:43:58 AM »

Nevertheless, I wouldn't mind having it hanging on my wall.  I'll just assume the reflection on the nose is Nikumaroro.

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2015, 08:45:07 AM »

Propeller hubs aren't right?

Bingo.  The painting shows the airplane with feathers props and domed prop hubs for full-feathering props (like Finch's).  NR16020 had constant speed, counter-balanced props but they could not be feathered.

And it's hard to fly without them turning?  I suppose this could be the moment after she ran out of gas, but even then would the props simply stop?

He's showing the airplane with stopped engines and feathered props just before it hits the water.  Without the ability to feather the blades (turn them knife-edge to the wind), NR16020's props would windmill - greatly increasing drag.  That's why feathering was later invented.

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Joe Cerniglia

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2015, 08:47:21 AM »

Hmm.  Seems I got something right there.
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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2015, 08:49:26 AM »

Hmm.  Seems I got something right there.

Yep.  Good work.
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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2015, 08:57:09 AM »

Here's a better picture of the prop hub.
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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2015, 08:57:37 AM »

A frequent Forum poster has said that the cowlings on the Finch/Kammerer replica are also wrong. Can the difference in the cowlings be discerned in this painting, and described here by that poster?
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Ric Gillespie

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2015, 09:18:33 AM »

Can the difference in the cowlings be discerned in this painting, and described here by that poster?

Finch used North American AT-6 cowlings for her R-1340s.  They're different from the Lockheed cowlings.  The painting shows Finch's cowlings. 
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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2015, 09:47:47 AM »

Another "glaring"  ::) inaccuracy is the shiny aluminum of Finch's Electra.
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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2015, 11:45:21 AM »

I couldn't help noticing that loss of thrust from a propeller due to "auto-feathering" subsequent to power loss in one engine was apparently one component in the chain of events leading to this week's Taiwan air crash. 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/transasia-air-crash-both-engines-failed-taiwan

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Ric Gillespie

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Re: No Cigar
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2015, 12:37:33 PM »

I couldn't help noticing that loss of thrust from a propeller due to "auto-feathering" subsequent to power loss in one engine was apparently one component in the chain of events leading to this week's Taiwan air crash. 

Don't get me started. This was pilot error on a grand scale.
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