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In Reply #24 to the "Summary of Debris" thread, there is a scale for the picture of the scallop shell.

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Tim Mellon

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #240 on: December 27, 2012, 08:12:18 AM »

In the area of the loose bottles downhill a bit from the Navigator's station, lie what appear to be four more gunny sacks of what I assume must be various supplies, perhaps edible, perhaps spare parts for the aircraft. The Luke Field Inventory lists several bags and sacks. Also on the left below the bottom of the tailwheel appears to be a kit box of some sort: note the metal corners typical of small boxes of that era.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #241 on: December 27, 2012, 09:27:22 AM »

At time 13:37:09, frame 06, I think we can see straight aft into the nose compartment. Two of the three horizontal tubes and the gas bottle are shown clearly in the Harney drawings, as is the port landing light opening. The bottle I believe contained nitrogen for the struts. The two guages likely measure pressure and volume in the bottle. The three tubes I have no idea (maybe brake fluid?).
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #242 on: December 27, 2012, 11:31:17 AM »

Hi Tim

Here is single frame with time stamp, of tail close up

I use http://www.serif.com/free-panoramic-photo-stitching-software/ to stitch images together simple to use

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #243 on: December 27, 2012, 12:06:21 PM »

See Doc's (Bob L's) photo below for two 'objects' that look less coral like than the other coral like objects  ;)
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #244 on: December 27, 2012, 12:16:03 PM »

At time 13:37:09, frame 01, I think we can see straight aft into the nose compartment. The three horizontal tubes and the gas bottle are shown clearly in the Harney drawings, as is the port landing light opening. The bottle I believe contained nitrogen for the struts. The three tubes I have no idea (maybe brake fluid?).

Tim, this is what I get at 13:37:09:01 with the time stamp on it.  You ask richie to put a time stamp on his pics, yet you don't.  Can you re-edit your pic with the time stamp on it.  I just don't see what you see, if this is what you are referring to.

I put the time stamp in the reply itself, otherwise the forum won't accept a full-screen view. I have outlined the area of the nose compartment on your reply frame.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #245 on: December 27, 2012, 12:40:25 PM »

Here is single frame with time stamp, of tail close up


Richie, the first picture below is of your tail along with the wire loop.

In the last minute of the 8.55 minute 2010 ROV HD video, the ROV bumps against the loop (intentionally, in my opinion) and causes it to fly off away from the camera. It happens to land on the fuselage just behind what I believe is the open pilot's hatch to the cockpit. Through that hatch one can see the pilot's steering wheel (whitish), which measures no more than 15 inches in width (between the two red arrows), per the Harney drawings. So the loop diameter I estimate, by comparison, to be about 11 to 12 inches.

Therefore, comparing the loop to the tail in the first picture would lead one to conclude that the "tail"-like object is not nearly as large as an Electra rudder.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #246 on: December 27, 2012, 12:51:29 PM »

See Doc's (Bob L's) photo below for two 'objects' that look less coral like than the other coral like objects  ;)

I concur with the bottle and wire. There is also alot more stuff of non-coral character.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #247 on: December 27, 2012, 01:45:33 PM »

Those enamored of the Bevington Object may take some solace from the attached frame, which comes from the very up-hill-most part of the 2010 HD video. I don't know if the layout of the components of a second landing gear assembly as I see them bears any relationship to either the original or modified interpretations entertained by TIGHAR. The cylinder stretches out to the right from the Y-shaped support braces. I will note that the tire, although quite flat and shredded, appears to be the same pinkish color as the tire in the landing gear assembly identified further down-slope (second photo, at time 13:37:16, frame 06).

Question: if this is a second landing gear assembly, is it really possible that it could also be the Bevington Object? If so, it would mean that the aircraft first sank 800 feet to its present position and then, sometime later, the Bevington Object was washed off the reef and just happened to land on top of the previously deposited debris field. After thinking about this for a day, it seems to me that the probability would be reasonably good if the "arroyo" containing this debris field extended upward pretty much all the way to the edge of the reef.

EDIT: I have substituted a much better frame showing all the components (time 13:37:16, frame 15).


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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #248 on: December 27, 2012, 02:34:11 PM »

Tim, you are right about "non-coral character" objects.  BUt the ones that stand out the most to me are the perfect right angle objects (top left) of Bob's picture.  That would have to be man made....or it would seem to me.     
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #249 on: December 27, 2012, 02:40:44 PM »

Tim, you are right about "non-coral character" objects.  BUt the ones that stand out the most to me are the perfect right angle objects (top left) of Bob's picture.  That would have to be man made....or it would seem to me.   

Without question. Yet so many things aeronautical are rounded because they pass through the air more efficiently.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #250 on: December 27, 2012, 05:27:58 PM »

Tim, howsabout' a time stamp on the last two pics above.

Done. Thanks.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #251 on: December 28, 2012, 07:56:06 AM »

At the very beginning of the 8.55 minute HD video from 2010, I think I can discern a right shoe, just next to the HF antenna cable. There may be a sock stuffed in the top. Most of the bottom of the rear part of the shoe is encrusted in coral. But the toe shows it to be made of a light colored leather.

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #252 on: December 28, 2012, 08:17:33 AM »

Perhaps this shows the matching left shoe, just "uphill" from the right shoe. The antenna cable goes over the toe.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #253 on: December 28, 2012, 10:44:34 AM »

I can speculate about things down there too.  Landing gear and tire assy.  My gosh it must be Nessie!!

Perhaps, Bob.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #254 on: December 28, 2012, 06:15:40 PM »

Now here is the second landing gear (and perhaps the Bevington Object) as seen from up-hill in the 2012 HD video. Actually the strut is obscured, and only the tire and rim are showing. The other landing gear assembly further down-hill is indicated on the left.
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