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In Reply #24 to the "Summary of Debris" thread, there is a scale for the picture of the scallop shell.

 2 centimeters
- 4 (25%)
 5 centimeters
- 4 (25%)
 8 centimeters
- 4 (25%)
13 centimeters
- 1 (6.3%)
18 centimeters
- 3 (18.8%)

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Tim Mellon

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2012, 03:05:58 PM »

Can I let Dominick vote for me? 

Vote away, Dominick!
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2012, 04:08:48 PM »


Tim, Dominick says your poll is not fair because the scallop shell you show in post 24 is not the same one he picked out in post 12.  And he says :P to you.  Ah, the impetuousness of youth.

I think someone has been watching too much Pirates of the Caribbean  ;D
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Tim Mellon

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2012, 04:37:37 PM »

Tim, Dominick says your poll is not fair because the scallop shell you show in post 24 is not the same one he picked out in post 12.

Life is just not fair, Dominick! Good thing you are learning this at age nine.

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2012, 05:03:44 PM »

9 years old and learning about Amelia? WOW-----isnt that what this is about?
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #79 on: November 28, 2012, 05:11:16 PM »

I Believe, the object is only shell shaped

Look at attached image. Were the shell is mounted an look to right an u see the same kind of mount except the shell is missing.

I think it might be a pull lever of some kind.

I have added red lines to highlight shape
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #80 on: November 28, 2012, 05:57:32 PM »

9 years old and learning about Amelia? WOW-----isnt that what this is about?

Yes it is Tom, and he is writing his version of the story for his class project.  He won't tell me how it ends.  The little stinker.  Maybe Tim can talk him into it.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2012, 06:15:26 PM »

Tim, are you suggesting that paper charts would survive 75 years in salt water?

Why not?

Mr Mellon, those skeletons were buried and from what I can read were excavated by maritime archaeologists - your "skeleton" of Fred or Amelia is lying exposed. Not an expert but lying in the sea water like that would probably expose the corpse to all sorts of maritime creatures. Just watch when you are at a beach how quickly a big dead fish disappears. As for the paper survival if I have read that correctly the paper was in an oxygen free environment which apparently, and again I'n no expert, would limit decay. I think it's called anaerobic. Folks who know better correct me if I'm wrong.
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Tim Mellon

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2012, 06:34:58 PM »

Just watch when you are at a beach how quickly a big dead fish disappears.

Never been to a beach 800 feet below sea level, Dan. In the video, 8.55 minutes, I never saw even one fish, let alone shark.

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #83 on: November 28, 2012, 07:01:33 PM »

Just watch when you are at a beach how quickly a big dead fish disappears.

Never been to a beach 800 feet below sea level, Dan. In the video, 8.55 minutes, I never saw even one fish, let alone shark.

Don't know why not Mr Mellon - you've seen everything else down there except Judge Crater.  ;D
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Tim Mellon

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2012, 05:42:06 AM »

- you've seen everything else down there except Judge Crater.  ;D

Different Aquarium. Smaller fish.
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Tim Mellon

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2012, 06:07:40 AM »

As a professional and by your TIGHAR # with an R it is incumbent upon you to be accurate in your descriptions of these items.  In my humble opinion you are very premature in identifying that "skeleton" as that of Fred Noonan without the benefit of a DNA Match.

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I don't see that a DNA test is in order here: this is not a homicide case. People are mainly interested (in my opinion) where Amelia Earhart ended her journey; the "preponderance of the evidence" is sufficient standard, while "beyond a reasonable doubt" might be a stretch. The sooner we can answer this question, the better, because (again, in my opinion) there are too many other important problems to solve in this world. Wasting alot more time, effort, and treasure on absolute certainty in the Earhart quest (let alone on expeditions that produce no results) is neither particularly prudent nor honorable.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2012, 08:54:24 AM »

WARNING: THIS IMAGE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN.

What I did not notice yesterday, but what I think I can clearly outline now, is a second body lying just to the right of the Navigator in the attached frame.

Refined analysis:
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2012, 09:25:57 AM »

The left skull would appear to be covered by what might be a flight cap (can see the edge of it along the forehead), and of course fully clothed which may account for the unusual degree of preservation (?); the right skeleton less well preserved, perhaps smaller in size, more delicate looking to my non-expert eye. Perhaps someone here with some medical background should comment? Anyone? I still find this rather astounding, and generally I'm at a loss for words.  :o

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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2012, 11:00:25 AM »

I disagree vehemently that preponderance of the evidence, is sufficient to prove the Hypothesis without "verifiable" evidence, be it Fred Noonan's skeleton, an "identifiable" part of Amelia Earhart's Lockheed Electra L-10E or "verifiable" land evidence that proves that Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan landed on Nikumaroro. 
 

So, we disagree.
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Re: Summary of Debris from 2010 Video
« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2012, 11:14:48 AM »

ok---let me see if I get this--Tim 'sees' 2 potential bodies. Will thinks one has a cap or something in the skull.
Might I interject that this ( if it is infact 2 bodies in an aircraft fuselage) that they may not be our explorers, but an undocumented military plane loss.
This is EXACTLY why I've been such a pain about positive identification of 'Electra' parts. We dont know whats there, and are still  (sorry Ric) speculating.
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