Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:20:34 From: Tom King Subject: Trip opportunity For anyone who (in this economy?) has some money to burn -- Nai'a's latest newslettter hints that they might be able to squeeze a passenger or two into their scheduled cruise to the Phoenix Islands (including Nikumaroro) in September. It's a diving biological expedition, but no doubt there'll be shoreside opportunities too. For information, visit their website at http://www.naia.com.fj/ LTM (who wishes her purse were better stuffed) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:34:08 From: Mike Piner Subject: Re: Earhart's bones I just reread the Final Bones Report, Jul 2003, and it seems that possibly the reason for the lack on any entry in the records, is because there was british secrecy as to what was the final disposition of the bones were. It may be possible to find some cable from London concerning the bones if someone in England could begin working on it. MP ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:03:49 From: Marty Moleski Subject: Re: Earhart's bones >From Mike Piner: > >I just reread the Final Bones Report, Jul 2003, and it seems that >possibly the reason for the lack on any entry in the records, is because >there was British secrecy as to what was the final disposition of the >bones were. Secrecy can always be invoked to explain the lack of evidence about where the bones and other stuff went, I suppose. The evidence to the contrary (such as it is) is that the bones file was never classified as a secret file. There are such secret files in the system. Those that have been declassified--at least enough to show the headings in the index in Auckland--all seemed to deal with diplomatic issues (such as disputes with the U.S. over territorial claims). The bones file was an everyday file. Given how much information there is in the file about what was found on Niku, one last entry saying what was done with the two boxes wouldn't be any more embarrassing to Britain than what was already in the file. It may be possible to find some cable from London concerning the bones if someone in England could begin working on it. My suspicion is that no cables went to England about the bones at any time. Sir Harry didn't want to start unfounded rumors. The doctor's report that the bones were from a short, stocky European or half-European undoubtedly made Sir Harry feel quite content that he hadn't started the rumor that AE might have been found. Besides, in 1941, there was a war on. There were lots of other things more important than identifying the Niku castaway. Marty ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:04:34 From: Tom Doran Subject: Re: Earhart's bones >From Mike Piner: > >there was british secrecy as to what was the final disposition >of the bones were. It may be possible to find some cable from London >concerning the bones if someone in England could begin working on it. Why would someone in London have had that much interest in some anonymous bones from what was officially declared a mixed race male? If London offered any guidance at all, I'd have expected it to be, "Just throw them away." Did anyone at the time, other than Gallagher, speculate they could have been the remains of AE? Tom Doran, #2796 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:41:47 From: Marty Moleski Subject: Re: Earhart's bones >From Tom Doran > >If London offered any guidance at all, I'd have expected it to be, >"Just throw them away." I agree. "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance" (Hanlon's Razor). >Did anyone at the time, other than Gallagher, speculate they could >have been the remains of AE? Not in the records that TIGHAR has turned up so far. Marty ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:22:12 From: Hilary Olson Subject: Re: Earhart's bones I differ. I suspect the directive would be ,"Bury Them." As was often the case they would have been put in a coffin with someone else's remains .Or when they didn't know what to do with things they sent them to a University or Hospital for case logging ... Hilary ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:19:25 From: Marty Moleski Subject: Re: Earhart's bones >From Hilary Olson > >I differ. I suspect the directive would be, "Bury Them." I had thought that would be most likely, too. >As was often the >case they would have been put in a coffin with someone else's remains .Or >when they didn't know what to do with things they sent them to a >University or Hospital for case logging ... I don't think there are any case logs at FSM or CWMH that go back to 1941. They were not as interested in or as capable as we are of keeping records for a long time. Marty ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:29:33 From: Dan Postellon Subject: Re: Earhart's bones The system of coronors and inquests is very well developed in English law. Did Fiji have a coronor? Dan Postellon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:44:43 From: Marty Moleski Subject: Re: Earhart's bones >From Dan Postellon > >The system of coronors and inquests is very well developed in English >law. Did Fiji have a coronor? Probably--for Fijian deaths. This was a WPHC case. The High Commissioner of the WPHC was also the Governor of Fiji. The bones file (arguably) is a "coroner's" inquest. In the view of the folks looking at the materials, they asked all of the relevant questions that a coroner would have. The final entry in the file, which I read as "P.a." ("Put away.") means "case closed." Marty ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:34:41 From: Pat Thrasher Subject: Missing posts Several of youse guys have written to me saying your posts are missing. They are. I don't know why. I've spent some time this afternoon trying to figure out why some things are going through and others aren't. I hope to have some sort of solution by Monday. The problem started last night. Anyway, if your posts are missing it's not because I hate you. It may be because the Listserv suddenly hates me, but that's a different issue. LTM, Pat ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:29:21 From: Dave Porter Subject: Re: Trip opportunity In response to Tom King's recent post: <> I recall that the artifact known as the "wheel of fortune" was discovered during just such an expedition was it not? And that it was left in place with the assumption that TIGHAR had already seen it. And that when TIGHAR did get a researcher on the ground to locate this artifact, it was gone, due to storm activity the area between the two trips to Niku. I would hate for TIGHAR to miss another such opportunity. If the cost of sending one of TIGHAR's course and expedition certified researchers on this trip could be spread across many wallets, perhaps it could be done. What would be the per donor amount to cover the trip if all forum subscribers, or all TIGHAR members, or both (or some significant percentage thereof) contributed? Even with the tight economy, I could probably come up with a donation of somewhere between $25 and $100, and perhaps others could give more if their circumstances allow. If Naia's going to Niku, lets get a TIGHAR on board. LTM, Dave Porter, 2288 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:30:11 From: Subject: RTom Kinge: Trip opportunity Dave Porter makes a good point, which reminds me -- Ric, do you know if Greg Stone is going to be on the upcoming Nai'a trip? Since he's the one who actually found the WOF, then if anyone could find the way back to it, he should be able to. Is this worth pursuing, even if we can't get a TIGHAR on board? Other things that would be worth doing, I think, would be simply to accompany the dive teams who will doubtless be doing fish and coral surveys on the reefs, and to visit and document the other islands (Manra, Orona) for comparative purposes. LTM (who wishes she were younger and richer) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:09:18 From: Bill Leary Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Even with the tight economy, I could probably come up with a donation of somewhere between $25 and $100, and perhaps others could give more if their circumstances allow. I could shake loose $25. It occurs to me that having someone go along and visit other places in the area would give that person some perspective which might be useful. You never know what bit of information is going to be helpful. - Bill #2229 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:09:43 From: Ric Gillespie Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Tom King asks, >Do you know if Greg Stone is going to be on the upcoming Nai'a trip? No, I don't, but I can try to find out. >Since he's the one who actually found the WOF, then if anyone could >find the way back to it, he should be able to. Is this worth >pursuing, even if we can't get a TIGHAR on board? If Greg is going I'm sure he'd be willing to try to locate the WOF but knowing how hard our team tried to find it in 2003 and how badly that end of the island has been clobbered since then, I wouldn't hold out much hope. >Other things that would be worth doing, I think, would be simply to >accompany the dive teams who will doubtless be doing fish and coral >surveys on the reefs, and to visit and document the other islands >(Manra, Orona) for comparative purposes. I agree that it would be useful to have a TIGHAR on that trip but it would have to be one of our core group of experienced Niku veterans, preferably a diver, for it to have any real value. We need somebody who can find their way around the island quickly, knows what things have looked like in the past and can spot important differences. Ric ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:55:18 From: Mike Piner Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Not long ago we anted up a small sum for DNA, and it was in a very short time, too. We should be able to get up enough with a longer campaign in order to reach enough people. If We don't act fast someone will get the seat and the oportunity will be lost. I Can contribute. LTM who loved a campaign. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:55:43 From: Tom Doran Subject: Re: Trip opportunity <> Unfortunately for novices like me, Ric is absolutely right. Maybe there is a TIGHAR with $6K to spare for this trip, more power to him or her, but I would not favor subsidizing anyone who doesn't meet Ric's criteria. Tom Doran, # 2796 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:30:57 From: Dave Porter Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Regarding other comments made about the trip opportunity, of course the person we send would have to be approved by TIGHAR, after all the funds would be raised by TIGHAR from TIGHAR's membership, and you guys who've been to Niku know best what knowledge and skills the traveler would need to make the trip worth doing. So, if 6K is what's needed, what's the deadline, and is this something we want to pursue? I have no idea how many active members TIGHAR has, or how many subscribers the Forum has, nor how much overlap exists between the two groups. Simple math tells me that $25 from 240 people would make $6K, or $50 from 120 people, or $100 from 60 people. Or, with mix-n-match, $100 from 10 people, plus $50 from 25 people, plus $25 from 150 people would do the trick. Based on your experience with past fund-raising efforts, is it reasonable to think that the needed funds could be raised? LTM, Dave Porter, 2288 ************************************ Well, first we'd need a victim... er, volunteer. P ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:46:25 From: Ric Gillespie Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Dave Porter writes, >Regarding other comments made about the trip opportunity, of course >the person we send would have to be approved by TIGHAR, after all >the funds would be raised by TIGHAR from TIGHAR's membership, and >you guys who've been to Niku know best what knowledge and skills the >traveler would need to make the trip worth doing. Let me make some inquiries with Nai'a and with EPAC. Ric ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:27:14 From: Tom King Subject: Re: Trip opportunity >Well, first we'd need a victim... er, volunteer. The V ought to be a diver, of course, and just for the fun of it I'll dispute the point that it ought to be a Niku veteran. Of course there are advantages to having it be someone who's been there and has a feel for the place, but there's also something to be said for fresh perspectives, and since much of the time would be spent on and around islands other than Niku, the need for Niku-specific knowledge might not be so great. LTM (who's looking for her flippers) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:56:54 From: Alfred Hendrickson Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Ric, I think you should go. I'll make a modest donation to that end. Alfred Hendrickson #2583 **************************************** Ric isn't a diver, and we need a diver. Pat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:58:00 From: Tom Doran Subject: Re: Trip opportunity <> A fresh perspective would be good, but in that case I'd prefer a veteran also, to evaluate any changes over the intervening years. There should be a clear agenda or list of tasks for whoever is sent. Maybe the goal should be half or two thirds subsidy for any TIGHAR reps. Wasn't Niku just one or two days of a two week trip? I'd be more motivated to support someone with specific tasks in mind, rather than just ask someone to poke around randomnly at the end of a fantastic vacation. Is additional SCUBA diving needed at this time? I thought the reef had been fairly well explored. Of course there could be a small chunk of something, previously covered by sand. Tom Doran, #2796 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:58:34 From: Terry Thorgaard Subject: Re: Trip opportunity I'd be happy to volunteer for a paid South Pacific cruise, especially one with a serious mission. :) -Not Niku vet. Have been to Suva. -certified diver ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:59:27 From: Ric Gillespie Subject: Re: Trip opportunity In considering whether it's worthwhile sending a TIGHAR member along on Nai'a's Phoenix Islands trip and, if so, who we should send, I think we need to ask ourselves exactly what we would hope such a person would accomplish. The island changes over time. Increased storm damage to the west end, remodeling of Bauareke Passage, and bleaching of the reef - all due to global warming - are effects we've noted over the 20 years we've been going there. I fully expect those changes to continue. Fortunately, our investigation has progressed to the point where we now have two primary areas of interest - the Seven Site and the deep water off the west end of the atoll - neither of which appear to be susceptible to storm damage. Unfortunately (and fortunately), neither of those areas is accessible to the casual visitor. Tom Doran is correct. What underwater searching can be done by SCUBA has been done. The Seven Site needs more work but there's nothing that can be done on a trip like this. Without a boat in the lagoon it's a brutal several hour walk to get there and when you do (assuming you can find it) you can't do anything because in the two years since we were last there, the scaevola has surely reclaimed the site. So what do we hope a TIGHAR rep could accomplish? He or she would probably have time to visit the village and note the further damage that has almost certainly occurred since 2007. He or she could note the further deterioration of the Norwich City wreck (has the engine toppled over yet?). He or she could dive on the reef and note whether the health and abundance of marine life is better, worse, or the same as it was two years ago. He or she would have chance to learn how Niku compares with several other islands of the Phoenix Group - something we haven't had the luxury to do. All of these would be interesting things to know but they get us no closer to our goal. Of course, there is always the possibility that, just as the whale vomited forth Jonah upon the dry land, the sea may have deposited some crucial piece of debris on the shore or on the reef. It has happened before. When we went to Niku in 1991 we found a piece of airplane skin on the shore that hadn't been there in 1989. Had we had a knowledgeable TIGHAR rep on the New England Aquarium 2002 trip, we'd know whether the wheel the leader of that expedition saw in water near the village was really an airplane wheel. By the time we got back to the island to look for it a year later, it was gone. The ocean giveth and the ocean taketh away. So now we have an opportunity to play that slot machine again but the price of pulling the handle is steep. How lucky do you feel? Ric ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:29:33 From: Marty Moleski Subject: Re: Trip opportunity >From Ric > >In considering whether it's worthwhile sending a TIGHAR member along on >Nai'a's Phoenix Islands trip and, if so, who we should send, I think we >need to ask ourselves exactly what we would hope such a person would >accomplish. Visit the WOF site with the fellow who reported it? Marty ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:03:33 From: Tom King Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Tom Doran asked: >Is additional SCUBA diving needed at this time? I thought the reef had >been fairly well explored. Two things: First, even if we could confidently say that we'd thoroughly explored the reef (and I doubt if that would be advisable), the reef is a dynamic environment; if there's an Electra lurking down on the reef face someplace, stuff may get coughed up from it any time. Second, Nai'a's trip is basically a biological expedition, and its priorities are going to be built around examining the reefs of the various islands. A non-diver would be pretty much odd-person out, but a diver with the brief of looking for plane parts on the reef could inspire all the biologists to keep their eyes out, too. When I first alerted the Forum to this opportunity, it was just with the thought that somebody with an interest and some spare change might want to have a first-hand look at the Phoenix Islands and gather some information along the way. Subsidized participation does change the equation, of course, but I still don't think we ought to get heavily wrapped up in planning and prioritizing; this would simply be a quick visit and an opportunity for serendipity to happen. LTM (who's very fond of her friend Seren) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:12:50 From: Tom King Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Marty Moleski writes: >Visit the WOF site with the fellow who reported it? Yes. Ric's right, of course, that the area where Greg Stone said he saw the WOF has been thoroughly covered, but getting the man himself to take another look, with some help, could be very useful. He may not have been remembering accurately when he described the place, and a re-visit would jog his memory. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:44:17 From: Ric Gillespie Subject: Re: Trip opportunity Marty says, >Visit the WOF site with the fellow who reported it? So that we can hear him say, "Yup, that's right where it was." We went to great lengths to get his best recollection of where he was before our 2003 team went looking for it. They covered every inch of that area and the areas all around it. Believe me, they really wanted to find it. It wasn't there. Ric ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:44:11 From: Tom King Subject: Ameliaschpiel podcast About a hundred people with nothing else to do on a long sub-arctic evening under a cloud of volcanic ash attended my talk about the Earhart project at the University of Alaska Anchorage last week, and the University made an audio recording, which can be accessed athttp://greenandgold.uaa.alaska.edu/podcasts/index.php?id=325 It suffers from being ONLY an audio recording, so it lacks all the maps, charts, and pretty pictures of the island with which I try to enliven the event, but there it is. LTM (who went to sleep) Tom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:23:54 From: Marcus Lind Subject: Happy Easter To all Forum Colleagues, i sincerely wish a Happy Easter soon. God Bless - sincerely, Marcus Lind *********************************** And to all, from TIGHAR, a lovely spring, and whatever equinoctal holiday you may celebrate at this time of year. Pat ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:55:25 From: Alan Caldwell Subject: Re: Happy Easter Happy Easter to all, the only holiday I celebrate this week, Alan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:46:48 From: Mona Kendrick Subject: Re: Happy Easter Mother says she wishes everyone an eggs-straordinary holiday. --Mona ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:38:05 From: Peter Hankard Subject: Re: Ameliaschpiel podcast From a long- term lurker from Canada...: Tom's Podcast was extraordinary and intriguing (even though I have read "The shoes") A happy Easter to all TIGHARs. Peter ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:30:24 From: Tom King Subject: Re: Ameliaschpiel podcast Thank you, Peter. I have yet to do an Ameliaschpiel in Canada, but am always willing. And a happy Easter and pleasant Passover to all. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:20:56 From: Tom King Subject: Advice from the all-knowing Forum I need to tap the Forum's collective wisdom for some advice. Over the last several years, I've amused myself at odd (sometimes very odd) times by putting together a novel based on the 1940 discovery of what may have been AE's bones on Niku. It's "true" to all the historical and archaeological data, but of course goes far beyond them to create a story. A prologue recounts the death of the mysterious castaway on the SE end, and the simultaneous arrival of the WPHC exploratory party in September 1937. The main story picks up with the arrival of the colonists in April 1939, and is mostly told with reference to two kids who actually discover the skull in 1940. It includes all the major events -- the Bushnell survey, the construction of the government station, Gallagher's arrival, departure, return and death, the recovery of the bones and sextant box and their transit to Fiji, the report of the discovery to Floyd Kilts, and so on. No, it doesn't come up with an explanation for what's happened to the bones. I have it basically complete, at about 400 pages, and I figure I might as well do something with it. "It," by the way, is titled "Thirteen Bones," for obvious reasons. I've tried to peddle it to several publishers and gotten the usual rejection letters. I've tried to interest several agents in it, to no avail. So now I'm looking into self-publishing, with TIGHAR's cooperation and advice from Pat. Before we move too far down this road, I thought I'd ask my fellow foruminifera -- does anyone have any bright ideas, or information about self-publishing (or other publication options) that you'd like to share? Thanks, and LTM (who says it's a great read, but she's prejudiced) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:56:38 From: Reed Riddle Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum Tom, There was an article in the NY Times about this a few months ago, so that might be a place to start. The article is athttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/books/28selfpub.html?scp=1&sq=book%20self%20publishing&st=cse . After that, you can look at Google and Wikipedia for more information, and then find a couple authors who have self-published and ask them for their opinions and advice. Reed ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:57:04 From: Jeff Lange Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum I don't know about publishing ideas, but if it is written by our illustrious TK, I'll buy a copy when it comes out! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:57:29 From: Marty Moleski Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum >From Tom King > >-- does anyone have any bright ideas, or information about >self-publishing ... Try to place it with a "print on demand" shop. That saves you from being forced to purchase, warehouse, and market the first printing and should result in a savings to your customers, too. The classic vanity presses charge both the author and the customer exceedingly high prices. Marty ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:12:20 From: Alfred Hendrickson Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum Jeff Lange wrote: "I don't know about publishing ideas, but if it is written by our illustrious TK, I'll buy a copy when it comes out!" X2 on that! Tom, I suggest you send us all a copy of the manuscript. Only by giving it a serious read can we answer your question! ;-) Alfred Hendrickson #2583 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:30:01 From: Art Carty Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum What he said I'd love to read it too. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:36:55 From: Tom King Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum Thanks for the advice thus far, folks. As soon as I get through the current round of proofing, I'll cobble together a PDF of the whole book and make it available. Marty, don't worry; I'll only deal with print-on-demand outfits. I actually don't think anybody does the old style vanity publication any more; even the commercial publishers who do my textbooks are going to print-on-demand. My mother's sister published a book with a vanity press back in the late 1940s, and (because we had space in the barn) we ended up sitting on a huge crate of copies for years and years. The thing was so dull that even the author's loving nephew never got through it, and it was quite a slender volume. After she died, we finally broke down and burned the things, feeling naked without swastika armbands. LTM (who says the author wasn't HER sister) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:52:22 From: Tom Doran Subject: Re: Advice from the all-knowing Forum The NY Times info is good. For more information look at www.perpublisher.com There is a link on the home page to "Getting into Print -- Publishing Options" which leads to a pdf on the various arrangements they make with writers. Costs are negotiated on each job. Other publishers would offer different options. Have you thought of getting a competent and objective fiction editor to read the manuscript and offer an opinion on the book? I'd expect to pay them. They might say anything, from 'Wow, it's perfect," to "This is a deadly dull stinker." Tom Doran, MCSE ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:52:57 From: Jackie Tharp Subject: Tom's new book To Alfred: Great idea!!! I had to laugh when I read it :) To Tom: I don't know anything about publishing other than Family History books, but I'd love to read your new book... I'll buy it as soon as you make it available, whether its a PDF, an ebook, or from a publisher... You're one talented guy, Tom :) LTM who suffers from incurable impatience, but knows it'll be worth waiting for.. :) :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:45:14 From: Dave Porter Subject: Tom King's novel Francis Hamit has recently self published a historical civil war spy novel called Shenandoah Spy, and has blogged extensively about the publishing process. The following may be helpful or not, but here it is. www.selfpublishingreview.com/2009/03/02/the-shenandoah-spy-by-francis-hamit/ Francis Hamit's very enjoyable Civil War novel Shenandoah Spy deserves all the accolades it's received. And Hamit's online analysis of his publishing and publicity strategies is an incredible resource for professional writers.< Good luck, it sounds like a fun read. Do you include a scene with a0 'round the bend AE impressing the PISS colonists as Nei Manganibuka? Dave Porter, 2288= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:46:03 From: Monty Fowler Subject: Selling some books With the coming movie about our favorite missing female avaitor, it occurs to me that this might be a good opportunity to sell a few books - "Finding Amelia" and "Amelia Earhart's Shoes," of course! Perhaps a special link on the TIGHAR home page direct to Amazon for each one, or something along those lines. With the current lousy economy and everything else, Americans tend to embrace their heroes even more. There's nothing wrong with trying to capitalize on that a little. Monty Fowler, No. 2189CE. ================================ Good idea, Monty. Pat ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:22:31 From: Tom King Thanks, Dave; I'll check out Hamit's site. Re: <> Not quite, but I do have Nei Aana, Koata's wife, having her encounter with Nei Manganibuka after finding a discarded red checked shirt in a scaevola bush near where someone has been harvesting giant clams. I don't think AE was alive when the colonists got there, but that doesn't mean she hadn't left things that could trigger reactions in an elderly medicine woman -- as I speculate Nei Aana to have been. LTM (who, like Nei Aana, is very sensitive to such things)