Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:03:22
From:         Tom Byers
Subject:      Re: Earhart talk in Pullman, Washington

Would it be possible to post some of your powerpoint pictures online?

Tom Byers

> From Tom King
>
> ...I give a sometimes enlightening, usually amusing
> talk an hour or so long, illustrated with lots of Powerpoint pictures,
> maps, and the like, and with time for questions, criticisms, shoes,
> rotten fruit, etc.
>
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I can assign a page on the TIGHAR website to a selection of pics if you like.

Pat
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:03:58
From:         Dennis McGee
Subject:      Re: AE presentation in Pullman, Washington

Tom King said:  "The date, time, and place are finally set; it's Friday, November 18, at 3:10 pm on the Washington State University campus, Smith Center for Undergraduate Education, Room 518."

Tom, do you ever get any serious dissenters at your presentations?  If so, what are they opposing?  I was just wondering how you handle them.

LTM, who goes with the flow nowadays
Dennis O. McGee #0149EC
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:43:26
From:         Tom King
Subject:      Re: Earhart talk in Pullman, Washington

For Tom Byers -- I really don't have a way to put the Powerpoint slides online, but I do have a DVD that a museum in California made of a talk I gave there a year or so ago, and I'd be happy to send it to you to copy if you'd like; it has all the slides that were then current, together with my sonorous voice-over.  Just send me a snail address (tfking106@aol.com) and I'll send it along -- though I'll be on the road for much of the next three weeks, so it may be awhile.

For Dennis McGee -- I get few dissenters, at least few who speak up. The tendency is for aficionados of other "theories" to ignore us.  I do get probing questions, requests that I substantiate things I've  said, queries about things people have heard or read about alternative hypotheses, and so on.  A well-known proponent of the "crashed and sank" hypothesis did make a very public dissent during a talk I gave a couple of years ago in Hawaii, but his basic line was:  "I'm a highly authoritative source, and I'm here to tell you folks that it couldn't have happened the way that crook Gillespie has duped these poor fools into thinking it happened."  The audience then began asking HIM questions, which he couldn't answer, and all I had to do was rest on the podium and look appropriately serious.

LTM (who loves a good argument, but hasn't yet found one with "dissenters")
TK
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:42:26
From:         Alfred Hendrickson
Subject:      Re: AE presentation in Pullman, Washington

I note that Pullman, Washington, is not all that far (60 miles, as the crow flies) from the wrecked remains of Lockheed L10A #1024, which crashed south of Kellogg, Idaho on December 18, 1935.

Tom, you are getting closer to Montana all the time! Remember, if you bring that presentation to Billings, I'll buy you lunch or dinner at a choice venue.

LTM,
Alfred Hendrickson #2583
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:27:28
From:         Marty Moleski
Subject:      Re: AE talk in Pullman, Washington

>  From Tom King
>
> For Dennis McGee -- I get few dissenters, at
> least few who speak up.  ...

I spoke at Oshkosh this year.

I was very surprised at how few attacks there were from proponents of competing theories.

One fellow sent me Elgen Long's book afterwards. It was a good read, even though I think his conclusion is false.  He probably isn't wrong about everything that he reports.  :o)

LTM.
Marty #2359
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Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:59:47
From:         Monty Fowler
Subject:      I know it's not Amelia, but still interesting

Not even near topic, but interesting nonetheless since I just finished the aviation archaeology field school, the saga of the Frozen Airman of the Sierras:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/01/frozen.airman.investigation/index.html

LTM,
Monty Fowler, No. 2189CE
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Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:03:39
From:         Dan Postellon
Subject:      Re: AE presentation in Pullman, Washington

Off topic, but did they built Pullman cars in Pullman, Washington , like they did in Pullman, Michigan?  The Michigan town was founded by the Pullman company as a "dry" town, as an experiment in worker's general welfare.   Dan
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Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:55:16
From:         Gary LaPook
Subject:      Re: AE presentation in Pullman, Washington

Also Pullman Illinois.

> From Dan Postellon
>
> Off topic, but did they built Pullman cars in Pullman, Washington ,
> like they did in Pullman, Michigan?  The Michigan town was founded by
> the Pullman company as a "dry" town, as an experiment in worker's
> general welfare.   Dan
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Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:43:14
From:         Bob Sherman
Subject:      Re: Pullman

For Dan P

George Pullman was a famous / infamous name in  Chicago's southern suburbs in the early 1900's. He was one of those 'Fatherly' types of employers that had a town for his employees . with all of the good and the bad that goes with it, incl. a big strike, troops called out .. deaths ....etc.     Pullman car were mfgr. there.   RC

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Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:02:36
From:         Suzanne Astorino
Subject:      Re: Pullman

Dan, you can read more about Pullman Cars here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Company
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:24:58
From:         Andrew McKenna
Subject:      Re: AE talk in Pullman

Seems to me that this might be mounted on the TIGHAR website as a PPT download.  maybe folks would pay a $1 or two for it.

AMCK

> From Tom King
>
> For Tom Byers -- I really don't have a way to put the Powerpoint slides
> online,
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:26:47
From:         Tom King
Subject:      Re: AE talk in Pullman

Andrew McKenna wrote:

> Seems to me that this might be mounted on the TIGHAR website as a PPT
> download.  maybe folks would pay a $1 or two for it.

Well, it's a thought.  It's about two years old, so a bit out of date -- doesn't reference the Electraquests in NZ, Idaho, or Alaska, for instance.  It was done by the Maturango Museum in Ridgecrest, CA, but just for informal distribution to folks who missed the talk, I think; I don't see it anywhere on their website.  They added a dramatic musical intro over an image of the landing-on-the-reef painting -- sounds like spinning props set to music.  My blather is definitely an anticlimax.

TK
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:13:28
From:         Tom Strang
Subject:      Re: AE presentation in Pullman

For : Dr. King

For crying out loud Dr king, the forum lurkers are still looking for a free lunch - I'm sure your presentation with you at the helm is much more entertaining and informative than something ripped off the web, even for a buck or two - Besides Pullman is a nice little college town in the wheat fields of eastern Washington state - Don't forget to yell "Go Coug's" before leaving town otherwise you may find yourself pulled over for a traffic infraction.

Respectfully:

Tom Strang
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:53:43
From:         Eric Beheim
Subject:      AE and the LUX RADIO THEATER

Had AE completed her World Flight, one of her first public appearances was to have been on the LUX RADIO THEATER broadcast of 6/28/37.  Hosted by famed film director Cecil B. DeMille, this was one of radio's top rated shows in 1937 and would have been an ideal venue for GP and AE to kick off their post-World Flight media blitz.  During the broadcast of 6/28 (FRONT PAGE starring Walter Winchell and Josephine Hutchinson, and which is preserved on transcription disks) an announcement was made that AE, originally announced as the intermission guest, had fallen behind schedule on her around-the-world flight.  She would be appearing on next week's broadcast (7/5/37) "if she should arrive on time."

In an ironic postscript, THE LUX RADIO THEATER would later present FLIGHT FOR FREEDOM with Rosalind Russell and George Brent on 9/20/43.

Full details can be found in the book LUX PRESENT HOLLYWOOD by Connie Billips and Arthur Pierce (McFarland & Co., 1995).

LTM (who never missed the LUX show)

Eric, Descanso, CA
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:33:58
From:         Mike Everette
Subject:      Re: AE and the LUX RADIO THEATER

Does this indicate that Lux Radio Theater might have produced a drama dealing with the disappearance of AE, on or about 7/3/37?

There may be a possible source of the LRT broadcasts in MP3 format. I'll see if I can check into it.

LTM (who keeps very clean)
and
73
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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:50:27
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      "I want a cup of coffee, a bath and a bed", Amelia's last signal?

Ric,

Perhaps this has been discussed this before, but of continuing interest.

I finally played the Tighar interview of Chief Quartermaster Frank Stewart of the Itasca videoed taped in Jan 1992 at his home. ( I think it was a team from Tighar, but I can't recall who sent me the tape)

I think it well illustrates the dangers of depending on the 55 year old recollections of an event so well otherwise documented.

Stewart, probably about 90 plus but quite coherent, relates that he was on the  bridge with Chief Radioman Leo Bellarts listening on a loud speaker to  Amelia's last transmissions to the Itasca. He said this was aided by a "loop" that the ship had "chiseled" from Pan Am.

Her very last transmission, in a loud clear strsong voice, was " I want a cup of coffee, a bath and a bed". That was it. He retiterated this, rather emphactically. [ He did not refer to any notes he may have made contemporaneously]

The Tighar team showed Stewart the offical radio log and the last transmission regarding the 337-137 LOP, but he was undeterred. He wondered why the others hadn't heard that request for a cup of coffee. (The Tighars went on attempting to persuade him that the Electra flew on to Niku).

He discussed at length the life and times aboard the Itasca, W.K Thompson, the search in the Gilberts, and showed the Tighars a map he made in 1937 of the navigational routes and area arounds Howland and Baker.

He had a photo album that showed the Norwich City wreck on the reef but it was unclear when that was taken.

He also claimed that the minesweeper betweeen Lae and Howland had radioed Itasca that AE had flown over and was enroute.

He blamed Amelia's failure on her inability to see Howland, and misjudgement to arrive at Howland at sunup with the sun directly in his eyes.

LTM,
Ron Bright
PS Have I sent Tighar the video tape of Howard Hanzlick the UP reporter that heard AEs last transmissions?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:30:37
From:         Ric Gillespie
Subject:      Re: "I want a cup of coffee, a bath and a bed", Amelia's last signal?

Ron Bright says:

>  I finally played the Tighar interview of Chief Quartermaster Frank
> Stewart of the Itasca videoed taped in Jan 1992 at his home. ( I think
> it was a team from Tighar, but I can't recall who sent me the tape)

Russ Matthews conducted that interview.

> I think it well illustrates the dangers of depending on the 55 year
> old recollections of an event so well otherwise documented.

The dangers are there whether the event is otherwise well documented or not. In fact, the danger is greatest when the event described is NOT otherwise documented.

Absolutely sincere anecdotal recollections can be uncannily accurate or completely out in left field or anywhere in between - and there is no way to tell which unless there is supporting hard evidence. "Oral histories" are histories only in the sense that they record what the subject thought happened at the time the oral history was collected. They are perhaps valuable as a record of emotions rather than facts. Facts tend to escape us over time, but emotional impressions remain.

Elgen Long's 1973 interview with Itasca Chief Radioman Leo Bellarts is a classic case.  Even using the original radio logs to jog his memory, Mr. Bellarts got some of the details wrong, but the frustration and anxiety he felt that morning were still there.

> Have I sent Tighar the video tape of Howard Hanzlick the UP reporter
> that heard AEs last transmissions?

No, I'd like to see that. Thank you.  The only Earhart transmission that Hanzlick may have heard is the very last one, and that is pretty doubtful.

Hanzlick went ashore with the rest of the landing party at 06:10.  All of the transmissions from Earhart  up to that time were quite weak and were heard only by the radio operators using earphones.  Her transmissions were not put out over the radio room loudspeaker until later when they were much stronger.

Despite his later claims to the contrary, Commander Thompson called the shore parties back to the ship shortly after 08:15 (Cipriani got the word at 08:26).  There were lots of people and only two launches so they had to make several trips. Everyone wasn't back aboard until 09:12.  If Hanzlick was in one of the first loads it is possible that he was in the radio room in time to hear Earhart's "We are on the line..." transmission that was logged as occurring at 08:43 but almost certainly came in at 08:45.

LTM,
Ric
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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:31:07
From:         Mike Everette
Subject:      Re: AE and the LUX RADIO THEATER

I've looked at two or three web sites that offer OTR material in MP3 format.  Those who have Lux Radio Theatre show a very incomplete list of programs for 1937.  I have found nothing in any of those lists that shows a program that might conceivably be about AE.  I looked at program lists for 1937 and 1938.

However, there are still some places to scour, and in about a week there is a ham radio meet nearby at which an OTR disk seller usually shows up.  I have some disks purchased from him but there is no contact information; although I have his inventory list which shows four or five LRT disks available.  If he shows this year I'll risk a couple of dollars on whichever LRT disk he may have that covers the period we're interested in, and let you know what I find on it (if anything).

Lux Radio Theatre was a "playhouse" type show, meaning that they produced dramas.  LRT was not normally into dramatization of "events ripped from the headlines" like the shows produced by March of Time.

LTM (who prefers radio because the pictures are better)
and
73
Mike E.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:14:31
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: "I want a cup of coffee, a bath and a bed", Amelia's last ...

True, Hanzlick thought he heard the last transmission at 0843, but the logs etc show he didn't get back until after that last tx. He heard some of the transmissions before 6:00 am. But when he returned from Howland, he apparently went right to the radio shack , looked over one of their radiomen's shoulder and made a verbatim copy from the log. Hence he was reporting what the radio guys heard. The original pencil log exists that he has, fading, and I have tried for 3 years to get that copy fron Carol Osborne as it was at least done contemporanously. So far no luck!.

REB
I will get a copy of the interview, for he also relates the tone and tenor of the radio room and the search.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:16:48
From:         Eric Beheim
Subject:      Re: AE and the Lux Radio Theater

Mike Everette writes:

> Does this indicate that Lux Radio Theater might have produced a drama
> dealing with the disappearance of AE, on or about 7/3/37?

No.  The Lux Radio Theater dramatized Hollywood feature films, using the original stars, if they were available.  (The March of Time did dramatize current news events of the day and I understand that they did dramatize AE's disappearance.)  FLIGHT FOR FREEDOM was dramatized from the movie that has characters based on AE and FN, although the story itself is fiction.)

LTM (who never saw FLIGHT FOR FREEDOM)
Eric,  Descanso, CA
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:15
From:         Eric Beheim
Subject:      Re: AE and the LUX RADIO THEATER

Mike Everette wrote:

> LTM (who prefers radio because the pictures are better)

I agree.  Radio drama is theater of the mind.  TV is theater of the mindless.

The Lux Radio Theater broadcasts for May-June-July 1937 all seem to survive.  There were as follows:

5/3/37   Hands Across the Table
5/10/37 Mary of Scotland
5/17/37 Another Language
5/24/37 Under Two Flags
5/31/37 The Plainsman
6/7/37   British Agent
6/14/37 Madame X
6/21/37 Monsieur Beaucaire
6/28/37 The Front Page
7/5/37   Beau Brummel

At this point, the show went off the air for the summer and resumed on 9/13/37.

A good source for all of the above shows is Jerry Haendiges Old Time Radio.  He has a website, so you can find order from him on-line.

LTM (who still has her old Philco radio)
Eric, Descanso, CA
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:09:26
From:         Dave Porter
Subject:      Russ Matthew's interview of Frank Stewart

Am I understanding from a recent post that an Itasca crewman has photos (of indeterminate origin)of the Norwich City wreck?

If so, has any sort of search been made to attempt to determine the origin of the photos?  For example, does the Itasca's logbook put her at Gardner at any time, or was Frank Stewart a crewman of another ship whose presence at Gardner has been documented.

Obviously, for period photos of the Norwich City wreck to exist, the photographer was at or very  near Gardner during a time we are very interested in.  Might the photographer (whether Stewart or someone else) or his crewmates have any other photos, journals, or other recollections of the island?

If this has already been thoroughly hashed out, anyone can feel free to point me to the pertinent Forum Archives.  Thanks.

LTM, from Fort Benning, GA
Dave Porter, 2288
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:22:23
From:         Ric Gillespie
Subject:      Re: Russ Matthew's interview of Frank Stewart

Dave Porter asks,

> Am I understanding from a recent post that an Itasca crewman has
> photos (of indeterminate origin)of the Norwich City wreck?

I've forgotten who said that but I don't think it's correct. I have copies of Frank Stewart's photos and there's nothing there of that description. As far as I know, Itasca was never anywhere near Gardner before, during, or after the Earhart search.  A crew member of USS Colorado could have a photo of Norwich City in the distance.  The battleship got within about ten miles Gardner.

Stewart's photos of Itasca and Howland were taken prior to the July 1937 Earhart support cruise.  One of his shots shows Itasca standing off Howland with black smoke drifting downwind.  It is often represented (including in Elgen Long's book) as being taken on July 2 and showing the cutter making smoke for Earhart.  It's not.  It shows Itasca "blowing tubes" - a periodically necessary procedure for clearing soot from boiler tubes - during an earlier cruise.

LTM,
Ric
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:20:32
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Russ Matthew's interview of Frank Stewart

Dave Porters question

Ric,

Maybe my ears didn't get it right, but as Frank Stewart is being interviewed, he is holding scrapbook of maybe 30 plus pages, It is huge. Photos of Itasca, Howland, etc., and I thought I heard him point out that one photo showed the Norwich City wreck. I will recheck the interview, comes toward the end.
LTM,
Ron Bright
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:20:58
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Russ Matthew's interview of Frank Stewart

For Dave Porter,

I interviewed Jerry Berger, a sailor that witnessed the Electra groundloop in March 1937, and later a crew member during the search of the Swan. He has photos of the Norwich City, which I have seen, on the reef, taken from perhaps 200 yards.

He claims he was at Niku for a bit and has photos of the village area. The problem is we are not sure if was Niku he was on, and the time frame is fuzzy, based on his age and recollections. His scrapbook is of interest too. He recalls searching in the Gilberts to. He has corresponded with Tighar.

REB
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:53:50
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Russ Matthew's interview of Frank Stewart

Correction

Ric,

In returning to  Russ Mathews interview of Frank Stewart, former Quartermaster, he referred to an "old ship wreck" a couple of times, but it was on Howland, not Gardner Island. He was pointing to photos in his personal scrapbook during the interview.[ Illustrates what a predispostion can do to a hearing report!]

I have never heard of a shipwreck on Howland?

If Mrs Stewart is still alive and well she might have the scrapbook that contains a lot of Itasca photos. Also he kept referring to a large Map, which he may have added the search routes around Howland and the Gilberts and Swains Island. ( Where I think Donahue has AE expiring] The map would be worth looking at as it may have the lat/long of Howland as known to the ITasca as Stewart was doing some navigating.

LTM,
Ron Bright
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:00:37
From:         Jackie Tharp
Subject:      Flight for Freedom

There's been discussion on the forum about the flight for freedom movie, and it jogged my memory on a couple of points.  I am looking for my sources, but I remember noting that Jackie Cochran and her husband, and also George Putnam were somehow involved in the making or producing of it.

I don't know if the story in the movie is right or wrong, or if they were trying to give Amelia heroine status when she left us.

Does anyone else know about these things? Also, the discussion about a photo of the Norwich at the time we're looking at is very interesting.  Maybe it would show whether or not the name "Norwich City" could be seen at that time.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:47:11
From:         Andrew McKenna
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

Producer listed in imdb.com is David Hempstead

No idea if he had a connection to Cochran or Putnam.

A. McKenna
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:51:58
From:         Karen Hoy
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

In "Amelia Earhart Lives," Joe Klaas says Jackie Cochrane and Floyd Odlum owned RKO Studios in 1942, when "Flight for Freedom" was made. (p. 200).

Klaas also thought the movie was meant to be taken seriously.

Apparently, Odlum also owned the house where Irene Bolam lived in Bedford Village, NY.

Why does anyone take any of this seriously?

Karen Hoy
2610CE

Klaas, Joe and Joseph Gervais. "Amelia Earhart Lives." New York:McGraw-Hill, 1970.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:05:55
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Flight for freedom

For Karen Hoy,

Although the claim was made that Jackie Cochran, aka Mrs. Floyd Odlum owned a house that IB lived in at New Bedford, it wasn't true.I checked the accessor records and it was not confirmed.

The original title was "Stand by to Die" written by Karl Pierson, who by the by "heard" Amelia along with Walter McMenamy at LA after she disappeared.. Pierson wrote the original script in 1942 and the movie was released in 1943 by RKO. A pretty good digest is in Donahues' book, "The Earhart Disapparance: The British Connection". It has the RKO contract therein. See also "Flight for Freedom" by Horace McCoy, Woman's Home Companion, Jan 1943. (McCoy was listed as the author as he was a well established Hollywood author, while Pierson wasn't)

LTM,
Ron B.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:41:31
From:         Tom Strang
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

For: Ron Bright

Being that the forum has gotten around to "Flight for Freedom" a.k.a. "Stand by to Die"  possibly  involving Mr. and Mrs. Odlum, a quick question for you.

Have you found any documentation of any connection involving the Odlum"s with the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel between 1936 and 1938?

Respectfully:

Tom Strang  # 2559
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Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:20:00
From:         Karen Hoy
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

All of this "Flight for Freedom" nonsense has been discussed at some length on this Forum.

Is it material evidence, an Electra complex, or meaningless? I vote for meaningless. It's a terrible movie.

LTM,
Karen Hoy #2610CE

>From Ron Bright
>
>For Karen Hoy,
>
>Although the claim was made that Jackie Cochran, aka Mrs. Floyd Odlum
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Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:44:11
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

For Tom Strang,

The only connections I have found with the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel are related to Margot DeCarie, AEs personal assistant in 1937, and to Eugene Pallette, a movie star and friend of Fred Noonans. It is interesting but  a complex story too long for this space.

The Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel story developed from an article in a 1938 article in the Pacific Island Monthy where a Carl Heine at Jaluit, Marshall Islands, wsrote that he had  found an unclaimed letter addressed to Amelia Earhart (Putnam) on 27 Nov 37. The letter was postmarked 7 Oct 1937 with a return address of "Hollywood Roosevelt  Hotel". It wasn't opened and as far as I know the actual letter has never surfaced.

Gervais claimed that DeCarie told him she was living  at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel in the Fall of 1937. Another researcher who interviewed DeCarie said she had never mentioned living there, and biographers have DeCarie living at AEs house at Toluca Lake. DeCarie died in 1983. (Other researchers have attribured some amazing  "facts" about AE from DeCarie)

It was a fact that Eugene Pallette was living there during this time frame. Noonan wrote him from Africa on the World Flight. I have seen no references to the Odlums, Jackie or Floyd, living at or having any connection to the Hotel. Do you have some informaton?

My inquires with the Hotel some years ago were unanswered.

Ron Bright
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:55:47
From:         Tom Strang
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

For: Ron Bright

A yes Ms. DeCarie remember her well, also aware of Mr. pallette's relationship with Mr. Noonan.

As for an answer to if I have information as to a Odlum connection with the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, nothing documented, but some background noise purely hearsay at least two times removed. Nothing to hang your hat on. Unfortunately at the time it was related to me I did not take it seriously enough to pursue.

At the moment this is an interesting sidebar story to help muddy the waters of what may have happened to AE and her sidekick Fred. But like looking inside Pan AM for information  reseaching Atlas Corporation is equally as fun.

One other question for you Ron while we're on this subject. Was "Flight for Freedom" used by the US military during WWII as film distributed for viewing by the troops in the Pacific field of action?

Respectfully:

Tom Strang   #  2559
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:57:07
From:         Monty Fowler
Subject:      Norwich City pictures

Does anyone have any even moderately close up pictures of the bow area  of the Norwich City, either hard copies or scans? I've come up dry in trying to locate any, and it may have a bearing on what Betty says she heard that day.

LTM,
Monty Fowler, #2189CE
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:03
From:         Rom Bright
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

For Tom S.

Several accounts that I have read indicate that "Flight for Freedom" indeed was shown to US military here  and supposedly the movie "influenced" , if you will, the discovery of various connections (artifacts) to AE in the South Pacific. I have heard, but can't put my hands on it, that the Marines, Army etc were advised during the Marshall and Marianna campaigns to be on the lookout for Earhart evidence. Sure enough briefcases, photo albums,  even the Electra itself, etc were found linking AE to Saipan and other islands. Unfortunately all were lost when given to their military commanders!

Donahue wrote: "After being put on hold until 1942....the Office of War Information propagandist decided the script could be slanted as a propaganda piece, particularily to lure young women into the military services. Thus after a lapse of five years, the administration gave it the green light and cooperation from the US Navy alowed RKO to proceed, with Washingtons approval". [ p110 ]

Donahue doesn't cite any sources here, as usual, so I have no idea if this was the case. But in any case, wouldn't you want to  save Rosiland Russell?

REB
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:40
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Photos of Norwich City

For Monty,

Tighar has  photos of the New Zealand expedition showing close ups of the Norwich City, which I recall showed the port bow.

REB

*****************************

Bob Brandenburg has sent some photos to Monty.

Pat
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:05:57
From:         Jon Watson
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

I am very curious where Ron Bright got the information that "Stand By To Die" was written by Karl Pierson.

In May 2001 Ric wrote to Mike Holt that SBTD was of "disputed authorship", and it is referenced that way on the TIGHAR website as well.  In March 1998 Barbara Wiley referenced a book by someone named Meyers entitled SBTD. I checked the records of the Library of Congress and found that Robert H. Meyers (b:1922) wrote "Stand By To Die: The disappearance, rescue, and return of Amelia Earhart". That work was published by Lighthouse Writers Guild, Pacific Grove, CA circa 1985.

Earlier this year I corresponded with Karl Pierson's son, who made no reference to any such work by his father. I suspect that by 1942, Mr. Pierson was entirely too busy with government/war related radio work (he was the inventor of what we now know as "squelch") to be writing screenplays. Of course, I could be wrong...

ltm
jon
2266
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:24:55
From:         Peter Polen
Subject:      Re: Squelch

Jon

In regards to Karl Pierson who you stated invented "Squelch", I am doing research for a museum project on early aviation radios for the Piper Aviation Museum and would appreciate if you could point me in the direction to find the story on Mr. Pierson's involvement on invented squelch, thanks.

Peter Polen
Director
Piper Aviation Museum
Pittsburgh Branch

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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:20:28
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

For Jon

Robert Myers indeed wrote "Stand by to Die: The disappearance, the rescue and return of Amelia Earhart, as you noted.

But here is the strange wrinkle. In Donahue's book, p. 110, he printed what appears to be an authentic copy of a RKO studio contract to  Mr Carl Pierson, dated April 30, 1942. It is on The Goldstone Agency, Hollywood, Cal stationary. (unsigned)

Under a line, it reads:

"Sale of story STAND BY TO DIE TO RKO radio pictures Inc    $3500."

Fees also went to George Putnam, Mr McCoy, Mr McNemey (sic) and Mr Hammond.

At the bottom:

"repay Nat Goldstone for story advance to Mr. Pierson     $1500"

It appears , and I may be wrong, that the Pierson script of "Flight to Freedom" might have been based on some idea or scenario from Myers. I can't really figure it out. As you may recall Robert Myers befriended Amelia at Burbank and there she disclosed to him the "secret mission". He met her in a cafe,  I think, as a young man. He also heard her transmit from the time she left Lae until many, many days later. Wrote it down on his fireplace wall. At least that is what he writes.

Donahue says that the orginal script for "Flight to Freedom" was written by Karl Pierson, also an amateur radio ham who picked up, he reported, AEs signals "from the Phoenix Islands after she landed". Donahue goes on to say that Pierson and McMenemy picked up traffic between Itasca and the Coast Guard in high speed morse, and the Marshall Island overflight msgs were picked up and relayed to SF. The Coast Guard later classified those msgs and Pierson and McMenemy  never revealed these msgs for  fear it would embarass the administration.

Ric is quite familiar with McMenemy and has a copy of an interview of him much later in life.

Jon, maybe you can figure out who wrote what, as this Contract seems to muddle the picture.

LTM,
Ron B

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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:20:36
From:         Ed Lyon
Subject:      Re: Squelch

Squelch might have been invented by this fellow you mentioned, but it was used in the Majestic Model 300 radio, among many other radios of the early 1930s, but wasn't called squelch.  It was called "inter-station quiet" or some such Madison Ave term, but it was the same as squelch.

Ed Lyon
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:21:01
From:         Tom Strang
Subject:      Re: Flight for Freedom

For: Ron Bright

Thank you, I appreciate your responses to my two questions

Mr. Donahue, most folks view as a good story teller, but with all stories told there are seeds of truth.

Respectfully:

Tom Strang  #  2559
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:20:11
From:         Pat Thrasher
Subject:      A new document up

I have just finished putting up a new research document: the entire Luke Field crash report. Here's the link:

http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Documents/
Luke_Field_Crash_Report/LukeFieldReport.htm

Enjoy.

Pat
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:52:02
From:         Marty Moleski
Subject:      Re: New document up

> I have just finished putting up a new research document:
> the entire  Luke Field crash report. Here's the link:

<http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Documents/Luke_Field_Crash_Report/LukeFieldReport.htm>

The original link seemed to have an extraneous space in it.  I've removed the space and enclosed the URL in angle brackets <>.  Sometimes that helps, sometimes it doesn't.  :o(

Nice work, Pat--thanks!

LTM.
Marty #2359
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:03:58
From:         Dennis McGee
Subject:      Luke Field Crash

Could we get this as a single item instead of having to open each file separately??

http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Documents/

Dennis

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It's 50 odd pages. You're talking a serious download time here.

When I get time I can upload a full PDF, but it's still hefty -- 1.3 MB.

Pat
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:29:57
From:         Pat Thrasher
Subject:      Luke Field link

Use this URL:

<http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Documents/Luke_Field_Crash_Report/LukeFieldReport.htm>

Or go to

<http://www.tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/AEdescr.html>

scroll down to Resources, click on Documents, and select #33, The Luke Field Crash Report, from the list.

Pat
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:36:02
From:         Ron Bright
Subject:      Re: Luke Field

re Luke Field crash, Living Eyewitness

Pat et al,

Tighar and I have interviewed  former U.S. Navy sailor Jerry Berger, now about 92.  He was at Luke field in a crash truck and one of the very first sailors on the scene. Took his own photos of the crash.

As I recall he blamed AE for taxing off the tarmac at the north end of the runway before takeoff into some very soft mud/grass that weakened the strut. Just his non expert opinion.  He  visited Gardner island in April 1939 on either the Swan or Pelican, claiming they went ashore for about 8 hours, talked with natives.Took lots of pictures. [ Not confirmed by deck logs]  Didn't see Amelia.

LTM,
RON BRIGHT
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Date:         Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:47:45
From:         Dave Porter
Subject:      possible virus or scam attempt using forum address

Pat,

My email filter normally allows the forum digests directly to my inbox, and I have been receiving them with no problem.  Today, in the Junk Folder, was a 76K sized message entitled "I've got a new email address" that was from a variation of the address that I send forum submissions to.  The from address was    EARHARTFORUM@home.eas...   Since the address I send to isn't all caps, and the address I receive from shows up differently in my inbox, I was pretty sure that it wasn't from you, and I deleted it.  Besides, it's been a long time since the digest ran to 76K :-)   Happy Thanksgiving to all.

LTM, Dave Porter, 2288

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Thanks, Dave. We do have this problem off and on; it's caused by one of these viruses that invades a computer and sends itself to everyone in the owner's address book. Outlook Express is the common denominator usually, but not always.

Pat
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Date:         Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:38:32
From:         Pat Thrasher
Subject:      About viruses and worms

We're getting a lot of traffic in worms and viruses these days on the Forum. Everyone, please scan your drive for a critter called

w32/sober.ah.worm

or any other item that doesn't belong there. These nasties scan your address book and steal one to use as an I.D., and then send the worm or virus on to everyone else in your book.

Anything that purports to come from TIGHAR at an AOL address is Bad Medicine; we left AOL years ago. And we don't "have a new email address."

Thanks.

Pat
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Date:         Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:55:52
From:         Herman De Wulf
Subject:      Re: Viruses and such

Pat and all,

After doing some research I found the w32sober.ah.worm virus is mainly transferred as attachments to e-mails which appear to be sent by banks asking to check with them. The golden rule is : never open an e-mail from someone you don't know.

LTM
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Date:         Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:35:06
From:         Bill Leary
Subject:      Re: Viruses and such

> From Herman De Wulf
> The golden rule is : never open an e-mail from
> someone you don't know.

You can't even blindly open e-mail from people you DO know.  Part of the human engineering (trickery) of these things is that they scarf a "From:" address from the first victims computer and use it to send the virus payload to others in that machine's address book.  So, if Bob gets the virus, and he's got Marty's e-mail in his address book, the message may have a "From: Marty" sent to many or even all of the others in the book.  Since at least some people will know both Marty and Bob, it's entirely possible that you'll get a message from someone you know which is infected, even if that persons computer isn't.

Turn of HTML and don't open an attachment even if it's from someone you know, unless you were expecting it.

       - Bill
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Date:         Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:23:38
From:         Jim Preston
Subject:      Re: Viruses and such

The biggest problem is IE & Outlook Express. Try using Netscape for the PC and Mac as I have been doing for the past 3 years or Mozilla .I haven't had any problem and I get 70-80 emails a day. Most are deflected by Spamanator.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:35:11
From:         Dave Carter
Subject:      Re: Viruses and such

Good call, Jim... I totally agree.

Those who use Outlook for email are just asking for problems. I've been using Netscape mail for years and I've never had any virus/Trojan problems. The addage is still applicable... "caveat emptor"...

The basic problem is that with Microsoft being the dominant software player for home computing, every little nasty thing that comes along targets Microsoft software first.

My $0.02: Let's face it, kids... Microsoft makes mediocre software, IMHO, but if you are reluctant to find something that works better, please stop blaming Microsoft.

LTM,
Dave (#2585)

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Date:         Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:16:21
From:         Bill Leary
Subject:      Re: Viruses and such

> The biggest problem is IE & Outlook Express.

OE's problems are it's default selections.  I've been using it (or it's ancestors) for ten years along with an antivirus scanner and have never had a virus, worm or trojan get through.

Biggest safety feature is to turn off HTML.  Followed by don't open attachments.

I have to agree on IE.  I've got many options disabled on mine to where it's "mostly safe," but I use it (when forced to) with care.  I switched to Opera as my "daily driver" years ago.

      - Bill #2229
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Date:         Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:16:58
From:         Chin Koon Fun
Subject:      Re: Viruses and such

Get an anti virus scanning software that has e-mail scanning capability. Mine nabbed a few e-mails with this worm some of which purport to be from the CIA and FBI. If in doubt don't open any suspicious e-mail attachments whoever it is from.

Chin Koon Fun